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From: "Phil Nuytten" <phil@philnuytten.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:40:06 -0700
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Ummm, you might wish to change the name of this thread, since it has =
nothing to do with Nuytco subs - other than having Vance point out how =
cheap Antipodes is - relative to the very expensive Nuytco 'DeepWorker' =
class . . . (BTW, the standard DW is basic $675K not $900).
Phil
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Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
Brian,
I have some potentially good news for you, depending on how flexible =
your principal's wallets are. Antibodes is now back on the market. It's =
current deal fell through on Friday night and, as I understand it, the =
sub is available under the same conditions. It needs an ABS observed =
1000 foot dive to complete its certification (currently rated to 580, I =
believe, due to weather and time issues on dive day, not any structural =
or design problems). Antibodes is, and I mean IS, a really gorgeous =
vehicle, able to take five people in comfort, with unparalleled =
visibility from the pair of 130 degree X 58" OD acrylic end ports. It =
weighs 7 tons or so overall, 4000 pounds of which is the battery pack in =
twin pods. There is a manipulator available, Orcatron u/w comms, battey =
chargers and lots of other goodies. An ABS certified boat with this =
one's capabilities just isn't to be found anywhere else.
One of your owners talked to Pete a couple of weeks ago and at the =
sale on the sub was still a go. That is no longer the case, so you could =
start fresh.
There is another pressure hull built which could be picked up, if you =
want to outfit one rather than start from scratch, and enough pieces =
after that to assemble a third sub with the addition of the hull =
cylinder. I don't know what your budget situation is, or the time =
constraints, but Pete Hoffman could provide one or more serious =
shortcuts, should you and the owners be leaning that way.
I don't want to quote prices, other than to say that the last deal on =
Antibodes was for $295,000. If I'm not mistaken, the update/overhaul on =
PC-1201 last year cost about that much, and they started with an =
operational sub, not a set of blueprints. As a further comparison, a new =
Deepworker 2000 runs $900K and the new Aquarius is going to be about =
$1.4M when completed. I don't think there is a better bargain on the =
market right now--not even close.
Best Regards,
Vance Bradley
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian V. Ryder <Brian@subatlantic.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:39 pm
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
That would be great I would love to see it , and it is nice not to =
have to worry about weight and size the A-Frame will support 100 ton =
with no trouble at all we have had the stern under water once before not =
sure how much weight it was but I would rather not do it again but it =
handled it fine=20
Brian V. Ryder
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[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of =
vbra676539@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:10 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
I'll dig it out and send a copy, if you like. We can talk some more =
about your design, if you think I can be of any help. You have the =
luxury of planning for ship-borne operations, which relieves the weight =
limitations substantially and allows for more of everything. I like some =
room, too, and need it more than I used to, unfortunately. Also, I like =
the big nose mounted window (Perry style) as it puts you inches away =
from things. The Deepworkers were fine, George's K-600 is okay, but all =
those types are designed for a seated operator, which I find very =
limiting and frustrating. Pete will have some ideas as well. He is not =
experienced with many vehicles, but is VERY experienced with his own. =
The Antibodes would probably have suited you guys beautifully. It has =
been sold, I understand. Too bad. Double check with him about that, =
though.
Vance
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian V. Ryder <Brian@subatlantic.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:21 pm
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
Okay thanks for=3D2 0the info it was both personal and business, I =
went to look at his K600 with the idea it would be good for me =
personally and to pick his brain of some valuable info and boy is =
there=E2=80=99s lots of info in there, he did tell me I should contact =
you and gave me your contact info, his K600 is still in very nice shape =
but I like big things I am a big man, but if possible I would love to =
look at the K1000 drawing sometime,=20
thanks
Brian V. Ryder
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vbra676539@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:55 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
If you are looking for something that size, then I'd say your visit =
with George Kittredge was more social than business. He thinks big and =
builds small, does Captain K. I do have the drawing for his K-1000, =
which is a 5' OD hull w/single pod stuck out the back and trim tanks for =
skids (gross weight 5200#, as I recall). He was never convinced that 2 =
people would be comfortable in there, but I always thought it would be =
perfectly viable. Still do, in fact.
Vance
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian V. Ryder <Brian@subsearesearch.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:12 am
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations
Ah yes Willie Legrow spelling not correct I meet him thru Terry Dwyer =
andwillies backing partner I can't remember his name but he had a ship =
calledthe lady Janet we looked at to buy but needed way more work then I =
wasprepared to do at the time just goes to show you it's a small world =
On the sub note where might I start looking to buy a large =
hemisphericalview port about 54 inches trying to put together a =
realistic parts cost thanksBrian V. RyderChief Engineer Sub Sea =
Research LLCbrian@subsearesearch.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail =
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owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@=
psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil NuyttenSent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:02 =
PMTo: personal_submersibles@psubs.orgSubject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco =
sub observations Thanks, Brian . . .I was aware of the drama over the =
past few years - the guy that was 'caretaking' used to work for me in =
Halifax - as a rig diver. He wasn't exactly a 'Dudley Do-right' type - =
Bill Kenney claims he literally took everything off the vessel except =
the sea-cocks! I got tired of following it a couple of years ago when =
it looked like it was going to be a protracted legal hassle - =
interesting to hear that it finally ended. SDL is not the sort of sub =
that is in much demand these days - with Katrina and Ivan over, the sat =
spreads are starting to pile up in the boneyards again . . .ah, well - =
it was ever thus! Surprised to see the E from Jonathan Newman - what =
is the submarine dentist up to?Phil----- Original Message ----- From: =
"Brian V. Ryder" <Brian@subsearesearch.com>To: =
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:28 =
PMSubject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations >I do have info =
on it the vessel was in Halifax and an acquaintance of mine> was =
contracted to clean and make ready for a move to Texas during the few> =
weeks that it took there was a lack of payment as agreed, to now keep =
in> mind that this is all hear say so after that the 2 to 5 million in =
spares > on> board started diapering so the ship was taken to =
Bridgewater where I then> went to do a survey while I was there 2 people =
that represented them > self's> as government officials came aboard and =
stared removing radio equipment > from> the bridge I thought nothing of =
it so I proceeded to do with I needed to > and> left for Lunenburg, =
about a year later My boss and I returned to the > vessel> to take a =
second look that's when we meet the LtCMD the ship needed more> work =
than we wanted to do at the time and he really did not want to sell > =
it> also he wanted me to testify as to what I knew and what I witnessed =
we > left> and I heard from him again last year he again wanted me to =
come up and> testify then I heard nothing about it until just recently I =
still was very> interested in the SDSL and it was still being listed by =
brokers and I was> asking about 2 other he had listed and he sent the =
following email> Hi Brian,> > I just spoke to the owner of the =
Cormorant=3D20and SDL1 sub. Both the vessel > and> the sub were recently =
sold at auction.> > The 1201 is available as previously noted.> > =
Regards,> > Jonathan Newman> uvi@telus.net> www.sub-find.com> > as far =
as I know there still in bridgewater> > Brian V. Ryder> Chief Engineer> =
Sub Sea Research LLC> brian@subsearesearch.com> > CONFIDENTIALITY =
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-----Original Message-----> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org> =
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil =
Nuytten> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 6:53 PM> To: =
personal_submersibles@psubs.org> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub =
observations> > Hi, Brian:> Well, both Aquarius and SDL-1 are white and =
orange so they are similar in> that respect! SDL is the Beaver hulls =
redone for the DND (Dep't of > National> Defense) by Hyco, here in North =
Vancouver some 30+ years ago. SDL is a > twin> spherical hulled lock-out =
boat - it has Pisces-style small viewports but a> single larger dome =
port was added years later by Jim MacFarland's ROV> manufacturing co. =
ISE.> We used this sub along with Pisces 4 off Cormorant to film the =
Newtsuit on> the wreck of the 'Edmund Fitzgerald' in 1995.> Pisces 4 =
went to NURP/HURL in Oahu - I was going to buy it but Terry Kerby> put =
the word out to the sub community that he really wanted it badly as a> =
back-up for Pisces 5. The few that were seriously interested graciously> =
backed off and the Hawiian Undersea Research Lab (HURL) got it OK'> =
The Cormo and SDL were bought by a Mexican gentleman in Browning, > =
Texas,> > but were left in Halifax for a decade or more. Lots of legal =
wrangles,> recently, over alleged theft of equipment by the caretakers. =
I was not> aware that the sub and vessel were sold at auction. Any info =
on that?> Phil> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian V. Ryder" =
<Brian@subsearesearch.com>> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>> Sent: =
Monday, October 12, 2009 4:34 AM> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco =
sub observations> > >> Hello Phil>> >> I believe it was a former =
Canadian navy ship called Cormorant and SDL1>> going>> back thru my =
records it was located in Bridgewater Nova Scotia, I believe>> the ship =
and sub were just sold at auction as I remember it was one of >> two>> =
subs on the ship but one had been retained by the navy the ship has a>> =
mysterious past as mysterious as the former US Navy Seal LT CMDR that =
was>> in>> charge or the ship, and as I look back my memory has failed =
me it's not>> the>> same but similar in appearance interesting =
nevertheless>> >> >> >> Brian V. Ryder>> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This =
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>> -----Original Message----->> From: =
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org>> =
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Phil =
Nuytten>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:58 AM>> To: =
personal_submersibles@psubs.org>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco =
sub observations>> >> Hi, Brian,>> Iwas just curious about the vessel on =
the east coast that had the same >> sub>> as Aquarius - do you recall =
the vessel or the name of the sub?>> Phil>> ----- Original Message ----- =
>> From: "Brian V. Ryder" <Brian@subatlantic.com>>> To: =
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:30 =
PM>> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations>> >> >>> Thank =
you>>> Yes the ship is 220' x 40' and 3600 shaft HP we are currently =
tied up in>>> Boston we are trying to decide whether to head south for =
the winter or>>> tough>>> it out, my vote is the Dominican Republic or =
Haiti I do like the warm>>> water,>>> the depth we can work with the ROV =
is 3300 feet but the project depth >>> now>>> is< SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">>>> only 650 and I am planning to shoot for around 1000 feet for =
the sub or>>> even>>> as much as 1500 feet, the one nice thing is I =
don't have to worry about>>> weight and size I have a forty ton crane on =
the ship and a 100 ton A>>> Frame>>> so as long as it will fit on a flat =
bed I should be ok, we are having an>>> Open House this coming weekend =
in Boston anyone interested drop me a >>> note>>> I>>> can fill you in =
how to get there.>>> >>> Jon I think I am on the server twice , I get =
two copies of every mail,>>> >>> and I was thinking of going to the =
convention but my work was such that >>> I>>> was not going to be =
around, the Aquarius is a great sub we almost bought>>> a>>> ship that =
was outfitted with the same sub up in Canada east coast now>>> they>>> =
are wishing they had listened to my now but hind sight is 20/20>>> >>> =
>>> Brian V. Ryder>>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: =
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org>>> =
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon =
Wallace>>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:04 PM>>> To: =
personal_submersibles@psubs.org>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco =
sub observations>>> >>> >>> Welcome aboard Brian, and thanks for joining =
PSUBS. That's one hell of>>> a ship you've got there and big enough to =
host a convention on. I'm not>>> too far away from you (in NH), =
although it sounds like you're probably>>> out at sea for a good part of =
the year.>>> >>> Jon>>> >>> >>> Brian V. Ryder wrote:>>>> Hello all>>>> =
I have been following the topics for a couple weeks and have enjoyed =
>>>> and>>>> benefitted from the information, I am a Chief Engineer on a =
research>>>> ship>>>> and also an ROV pilot and soon will be a sub =
pilot, I have convinced my>>>> company that we could use a sub more =
effectively that a ROV, so I am>>>> going>>>> to build one, and I think =
we are going to buy one also, I had the>>>> pleasure>>>> of meeting =
Captain Kittredge yesterday and hope that when I am 92 I >>>> will>>> =
be>>>> in as good shape, I started to read his book yesterday and am =
halfway>>>> thru>>>> it and can't put it down very interesting man.>>>> =
>>>> Again thanks and I have many questions>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ummm, you might wish to change the name =
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point out how cheap Antipodes is - relative to the very expensive Nuytco =
'DeepWorker' class . . . (BTW, the standard DW is basic $675K not=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Phil</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 17, =
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AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Brian,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have some potentially good news for you, depending on how =
flexible your=20
principal's wallets are. Antibodes is now back on the market. It's =
current=20
deal fell through on Friday night and, as I understand it, the sub is=20
available under the same conditions. It needs an ABS observed 1000 =
foot dive=20
to complete its certification (currently rated to 580, I believe, due =
to=20
weather and time issues on dive day, not any structural or design =
problems).=20
Antibodes is, and I mean IS, a really gorgeous vehicle, able to take =
five=20
people in comfort, with unparalleled visibility from the pair of 130 =
degree X=20
58" OD acrylic end ports. It weighs 7 tons or so overall, 4000 pounds =
of which=20
is the battery pack in twin pods. There is a manipulator available, =
Orcatron=20
u/w comms, battey chargers and lots of other goodies. An ABS certified =
boat=20
with this one's capabilities just isn't to be found anywhere =
else.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>One of your owners talked to Pete a couple of weeks ago and at =
the sale=20
on the sub was still a go. That is no longer the case, so you could =
start=20
fresh.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is another pressure hull built which could be picked up, if =
you=20
want to outfit one rather than start from scratch, and enough pieces =
after=20
that to assemble a third sub with the addition of the hull cylinder. I =
don't=20
know what your budget situation is, or the time constraints, but Pete =
Hoffman=20
could provide one or more serious shortcuts, should you and the owners =
be=20
leaning that way.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't want to quote prices, other than to say that the last =
deal on=20
Antibodes was for $295,000. If I'm not mistaken, the update/overhaul =
on=20
PC-1201 last year cost about that much, and they started with an =
operational=20
sub, not a set of blueprints. As a further comparison, a new =
Deepworker=20
2000 runs $900K and the new Aquarius is going to be about $1.4M =
when=20
completed. I don't think there is a better bargain on the market right =
now--not even close.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Vance Bradley<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: =
Brian V.=20
Ryder <Brian@subatlantic.com><BR>To:=20
personal_submersibles@psubs.org<BR>Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 4:39 =
pm<BR>Subject:=20
RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations<BR><BR></DIV>
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'Calibri','sans-serif'">That=20
would be great I would love to see it , and it is nice not to have to =
worry=20
about weight and size the A-Frame will support 100 ton with no trouble =
at all=20
we have had the stern under water once before not sure how much weight =
it was=20
but I would rather not do it again but it handled it fine =
</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Brian=20
V. Ryder</SPAN></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
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the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged=20
information or otherwise be protected by law. Any unauthorized review, =
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recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all =
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'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org";>owner-personal_subm=
ersibles@psubs.org</A>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org?";>mailto:owner-perso=
nal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vbra676539@aol.com";>vbra676539@aol.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B>=
=20
Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:10 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org";>personal_submersibles@psu=
bs.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal>I'll dig it out and send a copy, if you like. =
We can talk=20
some more about your design, if you think I can be of any help. You =
have the=20
luxury of planning for ship-borne operations, which relieves the =
weight=20
limitations substantially and allows for more of everything. I like =
some room,=20
too, and need it more than I used to, unfortunately. Also, I like the =
big nose=20
mounted window (Perry style) as it puts you inches away from things. =
The=20
Deepworkers were fine, George's K-600 is okay, but all those types are =
designed for a seated operator, which I find very limiting and =
frustrating.=20
Pete will have some ideas as well. He is not experienced with many =
vehicles,=20
but is VERY experienced with his own. The Antibodes would probably =
have suited=20
you guys beautifully. It has been sold, I understand. Too bad. Double =
check=20
with him about that, though.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal=20
style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Vance<BR><BR><BR>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>From: Brian V. Ryder <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Brian@subatlantic.com";>Brian@subatlantic.com</A>><BR>To=
: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org";>personal_submersibles@psu=
bs.org</A><BR>Sent:=20
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 1:21 pm<BR>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub=20
observations</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Okay=20
thanks for=3D2 0the info it was both personal and business, I went to =
look at=20
his K600 with the idea it would be good for me personally and to pick =
his=20
brain of some valuable info and boy is there=E2=80=99s lots of =
info in there, he=20
did tell me I should contact you and gave me your contact info, his =
K600 is=20
still in very nice shape but I like big things I am a big man, but if =
possible=20
I would love to look at the K1000 drawing sometime, =
</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">Brian=20
V. Ryder</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: =
'Calibri','sans-serif'">CONFIDENTIALITY=20
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information or otherwise be protected by law. Any unauthorized review, =
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recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all =
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'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A> [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org?";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A>]=20
<B>On Behalf Of </B><A href=3D"mailto:vbra676539@aol.com";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">vbra676539@aol.com</SPAN></U></A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday,=20
October 13, 2009 12:55 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal>If you are looking for something that size, =
then I'd say=20
your visit with George Kittredge was more social than business. He =
thinks big=20
and builds small, does Captain K. I do have the drawing for his =
K-1000, which=20
is a 5' OD hull w/single pod stuck out the back and trim tanks for =
skids=20
(gross weight 5200#, as I recall). He was never convinced that 2 =
people would=20
be comfortable in there, but I always thought it would be perfectly =
viable.=20
Still do, in fact.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal>Vance<BR><BR><BR>-----Original =
Message-----<BR>From:=20
Brian V. Ryder <<A =
href=3D"mailto:Brian@subsearesearch.com";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">Brian@subsearesearch.com</SPAN></U></A>><BR>To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org";><U><SPAN=20
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A><BR>Sent:=20
Tue, Oct 13, 2009 9:12 am<BR>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub=20
observations</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV id=3DAOLMsgPart_0_04a6d4bb-2f92-4c30-9d6a-89f949e3c3e7><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Ah yes =
Willie Legrow spelling not correct I meet him thru Terry Dwyer =
and</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">willies backing partner I can't remember his name =
but he had a ship called</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">the lady Janet we looked at to =
buy but needed way more work then I was</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">prepared to =
do at the time just goes to show you it's a small world =
</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">On the sub note where might I =
start looking to buy a large hemispherical</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">view port =
about 54 inches trying to put together a realistic parts =
cost </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">thanks</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Brian V. =
Ryder</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">Chief Engineer </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Sub Sea =
Research LLC</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><A =
href=3D"mailto:brian@subsearesearch.com";><U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">brian@subsearesearch.com</SPAN></U></A></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This =
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style=3D"COLOR: black">and privileged information or otherwise be =
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white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">unauthorized review, use, =
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white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black">-----Original Message-----</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">From: <A =
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org";><U><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A></SPAN></TT></P=
RE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">[<A =
href=3D"mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org?";><U><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A>] On =
Behalf Of Phil Nuytten</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BAC: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 =
10:02 PM</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org";><U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</SPAN></U></A></SPAN></TT></PRE><PR=
E style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Subject: =
Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nuytco sub observations</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">Thanks, Brian . . =
.</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">I was aware of the drama over the past few years =
- the guy that was </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">'caretaking' used to work for me =
in Halifax - as a rig diver. He wasn't </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">exactly a =
'Dudley Do-right' type - Bill Kenney claims he literally took =
</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">everything off the vessel except the =
sea-cocks!</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black"> I got tired of following it a =
couple of years ago when it looked like it</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">was going to be a protracted =
legal hassle - interesting to hear that it </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">finally =
ended. SDL is not the sort of sub th</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">at is in =
much demand these </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">days - with Katrina and Ivan =
over, the sat spreads are starting to pile up </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">in the =
boneyards again . . .ah, well - it was ever thus!</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
black"> Surprised to see the E from Jonathan Newman - =
what is the submarine </SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">dentist up =
to?</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">Phil</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: =
white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">----- Original Message ----- =
</SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN =
style=3D"COLOR: black">From: "Brian V. Ryder" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:Brian@subsearesearch.com";><U><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
blue">Brian@subsearesearch.com</SPAN></U></A>></SPAN></TT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"BACKGROUND: white"><TT><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black">To: <<A =
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