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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water Toy



Hello Brent, thanks for your kind words...

A submarine yacht with live aboard capability and long range capability is not a thing you will

see on a everyday base. All countries i know (and checked so far) have no "special regulations"

about that. You simply get treated as a yacht.

Which means in practice :
When you come from sea touch land in a declared port of entry for customs and immigration and visa reasons. Run the proper flags. have the required nav lights. Bring a passport. Do it on surface. Yellow paint instead of military look. No driving licence required. If doubts arise help the officer to fill right paperwork talk about your yacht more than submarine.

I like the wording - submarine yacht - i am nr.3 on google for "affordable submarine yachting"

therefore -

Paranoia is frequently on both sides - everybody expects authorities to be hostile or abusive to

shut peoples dreams down when they go for uncharted and unregulated territory - that is (frequently) not true.

Many people think ocean crossing live aboard submarine yachting is not possible due to the problems you would get with authorities - the contrary is true. If you can build it you will have surprisingly little authority problems to enjoy it. As Mr.Smith says - there is nothing illegal about it.

Anyhow - the problems and solutions for autonomous submarine yachts are not necessarily interesting for the K-sub community so i am not sure that we are on the right forum to discuss this...

Cheers, Wil
(concretesubmarine.com)


Quoting Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>:



Thank you for taking the time to give us that information Wil,

I've been thinking about that subject with regards to taking a live aboard submarine abroad, and having to deal with allot of different countries, there different laws and/or paranoia's. I had to do the same sort of thing with regards to using safe terminology in my tropical bird farm. I needed to use the wording of tropical birds, instead of exotic birds. I liked the wording of exotic birds more, just like I like the the wording of private submarine more. But it can be a very paranoid world some times.

I'm designing my live aboard sub to look none military, so I avoid allot of fuss.

I liked your advice.

Regards,
Brent Hartwig> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700> From:  clientes@tol
imared.com> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub registration problems> > > To answer pierre, dan,...> > I am not sure if i said it already at this forum ...> I registered my 20 ton 9m autonomous yacht submarine in AUSTRIA as a > "floating water toy below 10m length electric powered" - no > registration needed - no licence needed - back in 199.> > I had a fellow submariner who had a trailerable sub of kittrige size > whose project was shut down a year ago in 1995 due to police > intervention when he towed it out of his garage on a trailer.> > The argument - in his case - was "Austria is not permitted by > Constitution law to have "SUBMARINES"> > This passus was written by the british in austrias post war > constitution and meant to avoid any future u-boat threat to the > british islands in the future.> > So wherever you live when you build a sub (be aware that you might > trigger a certain grade of paranoia) - it can make a hell of > difference to the authorities depending what WORD you choose for your > hobby. Take "water toy" instead of "submarine" you will be fine - in > austria > > Here in Colombia a yacht submarine will get registered as a boat - no > difference.> > P sub building is not only reading the tech papers it is also: > authority, register and related problems - management.> > Don´t get surprised - know the law text when police FBI etc come on > board - and pierre - do not fear in most cases it tends to be easier > than you would expect.> > When i had police comming on board my submarine yacht in austria first > question was "what is this" (i knew my text - avoid submarine) "a > electric powered watertoy below 10m with no registration duty" - ah - > -interesting- may i sit for a moment in the driver seat... and police > never returned when i was out for a nice submarine yachting weekend.> > Authorities do not want nor seek "problems" they just want a way to > FIT you in somewhere in their existing rules - make sure that this > happens convenienty - in any case avoid that authorities are obligated > to act - due to a nasty roumor - somehow - and against you - be > proactive - be a open book chat with them - meet you local navy > commander - port captain - talk nicly to FBI when opportunity arise - > as we have seen sometimes it will.> > Be a good embassador of your sport.> > I remember the time when ultralight flight was whiped out in Austria > by a law that said "all flying vehicle that does not fit into existing > airline regulations is forbidden and not wanted in austrian airspace" > - this was later reviesed by lobbying from a powerful hobby industry - > and integration of european laws - be aware that psubbers does´nt have > a lobby yet...> > Peter, great boat you have built - my honest reference on that - keep > your dream going !!!> > Cheers Wil> (concretesubmarine.com)> > > > > > ************************************************************************> ************************************************************************> ************************************************************************> The personal submersibles mailing list complies with the US Federal> CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. Your email address appears in our database> because either you, or someone you know, requested you receive messages> from our organization.> > If you want to be removed from this mailing list simply click on the> link below or send a blank email message to:> removeme-personal_submersibles@psubs.org> > Removal of your email address from this mailing list occurs by an> automated process and should be complete within five minutes of> our server receiving your request.> > PSUBSORG> PO Box 53> Weare, NH 03281> 603-529-1100> ************************************************************************> ************************************************************************> ************************************************************************>







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