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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water Toy
Hello Brent, thanks for your kind words...
A submarine yacht with live aboard capability and long range
capability is not a thing you will
see on a everyday base. All countries i know (and checked so far) have
no "special regulations"
about that. You simply get treated as a yacht.
Which means in practice :
When you come from sea touch land in a declared port of entry for
customs and immigration and visa reasons. Run the proper flags. have
the required nav lights. Bring a passport. Do it on surface. Yellow
paint instead of military look. No driving licence required. If doubts
arise help the officer to fill right paperwork talk about your yacht
more than submarine.
I like the wording - submarine yacht - i am nr.3 on google for
"affordable submarine yachting"
therefore -
Paranoia is frequently on both sides - everybody expects authorities
to be hostile or abusive to
shut peoples dreams down when they go for uncharted and unregulated
territory - that is (frequently) not true.
Many people think ocean crossing live aboard submarine yachting is not
possible due to the problems you would get with authorities - the
contrary is true. If you can build it you will have surprisingly
little authority problems to enjoy it. As Mr.Smith says - there is
nothing illegal about it.
Anyhow - the problems and solutions for autonomous submarine yachts
are not necessarily interesting for the K-sub community so i am not
sure that we are on the right forum to discuss this...
Cheers, Wil
(concretesubmarine.com)
Quoting Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>:
Thank you for taking the time to give us that information Wil,
I've been thinking about that subject with regards to taking a live
aboard submarine abroad, and having to deal with allot of different
countries, there different laws and/or paranoia's. I had to do the
same sort of thing with regards to using safe terminology in my
tropical bird farm. I needed to use the wording of tropical birds,
instead of exotic birds. I liked the wording of exotic birds more,
just like I like the the wording of private submarine more. But it
can be a very paranoid world some times.
I'm designing my live aboard sub to look none military, so I avoid
allot of fuss.
I liked your advice.
Regards,
Brent Hartwig> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:40:04 -0700> From: clientes@tol
imared.com> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub registration problems> > > To answer
pierre, dan,...> > I am not sure if i said it already at this forum
...> I registered my 20 ton 9m autonomous yacht submarine in AUSTRIA
as a > "floating water toy below 10m length electric powered" - no
> registration needed - no licence needed - back in 199.> > I had a
fellow submariner who had a trailerable sub of kittrige size >
whose project was shut down a year ago in 1995 due to police >
intervention when he towed it out of his garage on a trailer.> > The
argument - in his case - was "Austria is not permitted by >
Constitution law to have "SUBMARINES"> > This passus was written by
the british in austrias post war > constitution and meant to avoid
any future u-boat threat to the > british islands in the future.> >
So wherever you live when you build a sub (be aware that you might >
trigger a certain grade of paranoia) - it can make a hell of >
difference to the authorities depending what WORD you choose for
your > hobby. Take "water toy" instead of "submarine" you will be
fine - in > austria > > Here in Colombia a yacht submarine will get
registered as a boat - no > difference.> > P sub building is not
only reading the tech papers it is also: > authority, register and
related problems - management.> > Don´t get surprised - know the law
text when police FBI etc come on > board - and pierre - do not fear
in most cases it tends to be easier > than you would expect.> >
When i had police comming on board my submarine yacht in austria
first > question was "what is this" (i knew my text - avoid
submarine) "a > electric powered watertoy below 10m with no
registration duty" - ah - > -interesting- may i sit for a moment in
the driver seat... and police > never returned when i was out for a
nice submarine yachting weekend.> > Authorities do not want nor
seek "problems" they just want a way to > FIT you in somewhere in
their existing rules - make sure that this > happens convenienty -
in any case avoid that authorities are obligated > to act - due to
a nasty roumor - somehow - and against you - be > proactive - be a
open book chat with them - meet you local navy > commander - port
captain - talk nicly to FBI when opportunity arise - > as we have
seen sometimes it will.> > Be a good embassador of your sport.> > I
remember the time when ultralight flight was whiped out in Austria
> by a law that said "all flying vehicle that does not fit into
existing > airline regulations is forbidden and not wanted in
austrian airspace" > - this was later reviesed by lobbying from a
powerful hobby industry - > and integration of european laws - be
aware that psubbers does´nt have > a lobby yet...> > Peter, great
boat you have built - my honest reference on that - keep > your
dream going !!!> > Cheers Wil> (concretesubmarine.com)> > > > > >
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