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Its most likely just a matte af color, and dull black is
not recomended. I use it - but combine it with being friends with most - and the
ability to dive fast...
Regards,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:02
PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Water Toy
Thank you
for taking the time to give us that information Wil,
I've been
thinking about that subject with regards to taking a live aboard submarine
abroad, and having to deal with allot of different countries, there different
laws and/or paranoia's. I had to do the same sort of thing with regards to
using safe terminology in my tropical bird farm. I needed to use the wording
of tropical birds, instead of exotic birds. I liked the wording of exotic
birds more, just like I like the the wording of private submarine more. But it
can be a very paranoid world some times.
I'm
designing my live aboard sub to look none military, so I avoid allot of
fuss.
I liked
your advice.
Regards,
Brent
Hartwig
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:40:04
-0700
> From: clientes@tolimared.com
> To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sub
registration problems
>
>
> To answer pierre,
dan,...
>
> I am not sure if i said it already at this forum
...
> I registered my 20 ton 9m autonomous yacht submarine in AUSTRIA as
a
> "floating water toy below 10m length electric powered" - no
> registration needed - no licence needed - back in 199.
>
> I had a fellow submariner who had a trailerable sub of kittrige size
> whose project was shut down a year ago in 1995 due to police
>
intervention when he towed it out of his garage on a trailer.
>
>
The argument - in his case - was "Austria is not permitted by
>
Constitution law to have "SUBMARINES"
>
> This passus was written
by the british in austrias post war
> constitution and meant to avoid
any future u-boat threat to the
> british islands in the
future.
>
> So wherever you live when you build a sub (be aware
that you might
> trigger a certain grade of paranoia) - it can make a
hell of
> difference to the authorities depending what WORD you choose
for your
> hobby. Take "water toy" instead of "submarine" you will be
fine - in
> austria .
>
> Here in Colombia a yacht
submarine will get registered as a boat - no
> difference.
>
> P sub building is not only reading the tech papers it is also:
> authority, register and related problems - management.
>
> Don´t get surprised - know the law text when police FBI etc come on
> board - and pierre - do not fear in most cases it tends to be easier
> than you would expect.
>
> When i had police comming on
board my submarine yacht in austria first
> question was "what is this"
(i knew my text - avoid submarine) "a
> electric powered watertoy below
10m with no registration duty" - ah -
> -interesting- may i sit for a
moment in the driver seat... and police
> never returned when i was out
for a nice submarine yachting weekend.
>
> Authorities do not
want nor seek "problems" they just want a way to
> FIT you in somewhere
in their existing rules - make sure that this
> happens convenienty -
in any case avoid that authorities are obligated
> to act - due to a
nasty roumor - somehow - and against you - be
> proactive - be a open
book chat with them - meet you local navy
> commander - port captain -
talk nicly to FBI when opportunity arise -
> as we have seen sometimes
it will.
>
> Be a good embassador of your sport.
>
>
I remember the time when ultralight flight was whiped out in Austria
>
by a law that said "all flying vehicle that does not fit into existing
> airline regulations is forbidden and not wanted in austrian airspace"
> - this was later reviesed by lobbying from a powerful hobby industry
-
> and integration of european laws - be aware that psubbers does´nt
have
> a lobby yet...
>
> Peter, great boat you have built
- my honest reference on that - keep
> your dream going !!!
>
> Cheers Wil
> (concretesubmarine.com)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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