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Re: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Variable Ballast Calculations, Bill



Maybe I'm missing something.
 
Why all the fuss to build a sub that you need to be careful not to surface all the way before shifting air from one place to another. 
 
First of all you can't control your depth that easily.  You don't always have the option of stopping your assent as 33 feet or where ever as a diver does.  Some times you hardly know your moving until you see the surface right there a foot above you.  If you put in safety valves to release any positive pressure you had in the hull in case you rise to close to the surface and they release air, you won't have the air to put in the tanks later on. 
 
Since your building a pressure hull anyway, why not use 1/4 inch plate instead of 3/16, or whatever.  Build a one atmosphere sub.  You'll have a safer sub and a simpler sub to operate with no need to take extra precautions with hatches, viewports, and valves for an internal positive pressure situation.
 
Please explain if I'm missing something.
Dan H.
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On 11/15/05, Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

... So imagine yourself at only 2 atm or 33 ft of pressure on your body, but actually diving to 99 feet and staying for a maximum of 205
minutes without any deco! Wouldn't we scuba divers love it if we could do that! A hybrid like this would allow us to. I would say it would be worth the extra trouble. What do you think Paul?

I'm with you Bill, sign me up for a pressure-limited cabin!  But I am starting to wonder why not just limit it to 1atm. :-)  Once I start thinking about building a crew compartment that handles 3atm and maybe 1atm of overpressure, well it seems like why not just build a traditional 1atm boat?  But this hybrid sub design is fascinating and I'd like to see it sketched out. 
 

Now I would like to know what hull strength I would need for a 1 atm pressure vessel to withstand 2 atm of outside water pressure. Probably have to build it with a safety factor for 3 or so atm
just to make sure it was safe. I wonder what steel thickness I would need or if a 1/2 inch thick kevlar wing tank would withstand 2 or 3 atm with 1 atm inside it? Any help here fellas?

Well that's the rub, isn't it?  My feeling is that many engineering types would be comfortable designing something for themselves to use but would be pretty hesitant to give someone else recommendations on pressure vessel details.  Is that right?  Sorry I haven't been on this mailling list long enough to know what's been done and discussed in the past and I didn't find anything on PSUBS.org or by searching it with Google.