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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hull test



Hi, David and Bill - please remember that the air/water pressure we are discussing is no more than a column of molecules being sucked down by gravity.
 
That 14.7 lb. per square inch is the WEIGHT of a column of air that is the height of the atmosphere, nothing more.  The same weight is achieved in sea water at a mere 32 feet, hence the term "one-at".
 
Regarding hull pressure testing, the easiest way to do this [and low, low, low budget] is to drag it into deep water and sink it on a chain.
 
There are three test depths to monitor: [1] operational (i.e.: over and over without damage)  [2] test depth (say 1.5 to 2 times operational depth (eventually will sustain damage) and  [3] crush depth - self-explanatory.
 
Keep records, have the hull checked out professionally.  I would feel weird doing it, and wouldn't promote this practise, but, if you have a confirmed crush depth of 900 feet, it's probably safe to say that your hull's operational depth established arbitrarily at 100 feet is an appropriate guess.  That's a 9 to 1 safety margin - not bad.
 
If you've dunked the thing to 300 feet, 20 times, and nothing happened, then, again, operational of 100 feet would PROBABLY be fine.
 
Caveat: engineering a pressure hull is a well established science.  Bring your drawings in to a pro, follow the drawings when building it.
 
Rick Lucertini
Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
From: Akins
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hull test

Hi Dan.
 
Dooohhh! Of course! How could I have missed that? The atmosphere around us is 14.7 (average) so even when the sub's hull was a vacumm the atmosphere
 
on the OUTSIDE of the sub's hull would still only be 14.7 and therefore could only push against the hull at 14.7 psi. As you say, it would create an imbalance condition
 
but it would be unable to push any harder than 14.7 psi against the hull because that is all the pressure it has. Got it. That was a tricky one. As a diver I should have
 
caught that one. Glad it wasn't on a dive test! Thanks for keeping me straight.
 
Bill.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan H.
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] hull test

Bill,
 
A sub on land near sea level has 14.7 PSI (average) pushing on the outside of the hull and 14.7 PSI pushing on the inside of the hull.  It's in balance...... Correct?
 
Suck out the air from the inside, that is, remove the 14.7 from the inside, and you create an imbalance condition.  Zero PSI on the inside and 14.7 PSI on the outside.  Nothing doubles!
 
Face it, there's no way to test a sub at depth greater then 30 feet other then a pressure chamber or just placing it at depth and see what happens!
 
Dan H.