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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators
The NRC is really sticky on WHO has access to nuke fuel.
Carl
John Pier wrote:
> I dont know how people here plan to use nuclear isotopes to power pers
> submarines.
> However as a reminder, any nuclear power station is nothing more than a
> thermodynamic machine which uses nuclear energy as heat source most of the
> time to produce steam from water.
> It is the same principle than a fuel power station, but with no funnels and
> no smoke
> The nuclear material by its controlled fission heats up, heat is used to
> bring water to steam to power turbines which turbines either transform their
> energy in mechanical energy through a shaft, or in electricity through
> generators.
> So I don t see how nuclear waste or trash could even heat up a glass of
> water, but more certainly would cause leukemia and make you glow in the
> dark.
> When a hospital uses some nuclear material, obviously you have no idea
> through what they have to go to get their nuclear iosotopes and under which
> severe control they are .
> Too often I see in this forum submen who are doing their best in trying to
> catch the attention of government agencies with weird and hazardous ideas
> such as this one and before with propane to blow ballasts.
> As of today, for PERSONNAL use everybody can build and operate a submarines
> with no requirement. No control, no veritas, no inspections, nothing......
> which is not the case for cars and aircrafts.
> One day someone here will create a catastrophe with a "crazy" machine which
> will bring all regulatory agencies on the psubs case. And it will be over
> for the personnal subs bringing them to the same level as professional
> manufacturers with inspections and controls.
> I mean you can die with your own pers sub , as long as you die alone nobody
> really cares, but if someone because of contamination or an explosion
> brings harm to innocent citizens you make the head lines.
> So I think people here should watch each other
> The magnetic drive is a wonderfull idea go this way only
> Herve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl Kem <dustyut@lasal.net>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators
>
> > Richard, without suitable documentation from the manufacturer, the
> microwave
> > oven is considered unlawful.
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > Richard Gordon wrote:
> >
> > > I realise that obtaining large quantities of radioactive material on the
> > > black market as this gentleman obviously did, would attract a great deal
> of
> > > attention from the police. What I propose is to utilize the same
> isotopes
> > > that are used in many facets of medicine and also in house-hold
> > > smoke-detectors to construct a device that would be no more harmful that
> > > your kitchen microwave oven.
> > >
> > > As for the VG hulls, what I had in mind was areas of very simple
> articulated
> > > frame with a tough oil-impregnated neoprene skin stretched over it. This
> > > would not risk a puncture, nor would it add an unacceptable amount of
> > > weight. It would however only be suitable for small to medium sized
> manned
> > > subs, maybe even better for an AUV. But I think Carsten is right, I
> should
> > > stick to the magnetic engine!
> > >
> > > Rich
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Carsten Standfuß <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 5:52 PM
> > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators
> > >
> > > > Ask this boys : http://www.schmidlin-lab.ch/allinformations.htm
> > > >
> > > > or search the net for : +oxygen +generators
> > > >
> > > > and to breath a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen is possible - in a
> close
> > > > diver rebreather - they did some test in the 60ies.
> > > > Not very useful for "after diving" - smokers ..
> > > >
> > > > The last time here somebody use some gramm old waste radiation
> material
> > > > (from russia) for unknown porpose - some thousand police men hunt
> him -
> > > > they catch him - they put him in jail - the destroy the key to the
> > > > prison-room he is still in.. - Privat nuke power ... not in europe
> > > >
> > > > The Magnetic-drive idear looks better..
> > > >
> > > > Carsten
> > > >
> > > > Richard Gordon schrieb:
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone got any info on using electrolysis to liberate oxygen
> atoms
> > > from
> > > > > water for use by your rebreather system? This would probably be a
> pretty
> > > > > effective system as you would not have to store HP gas on board
> (aside
> > > from
> > > > > an emergency backup tank). The downside would be that you would only
> be
> > > > > producing oxygen when you have elecricity. If you lost power for
> some
> > > > > reason, you would lose oxygen too. Perhaps this could work in
> > > conjunction
> > > > > wih a standard O2 supply.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that big subs have O2 generators of this type, but I do not
> know
> > > how
> > > > > readily the technology can be miniaturized. Again, opinions please.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rich
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Michael B. Holt <mholt@richmond.edu>
> > > > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:35 PM
> > > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snow White navigation (was: Snow White
> virus)
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Sean T. Stevenson" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How much room do you have in your sub? As far as DR is
> concerned,
> > > > > > > I like to lay out a chart and use a pencil...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Somehow, plotting a course with a chart and pencil always looks
> > > > > > more accurate, doesn't it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Assuming you have
> > > > > > > an electronic solution in mind, are you talking about a GPS unit
> > > > > > > or some sort of ECS? Electronically I can see using a fluxgate
> > > > > > > compass and external knotmeter to provide NMEA info on course
> and
> > > > > > > speed, with the GPS overriding when the signal becomes
> > > > > > > available (when you are surfaced).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I said, I supsect this sort of thing is available. Probably
> > > > > > in a high-end GPS unit, come to think of it. This is just
> > > > > > a thought-experiment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adjustment for current would need to be made according to a
> > > > > > > tide/current atlas, but the information in these publications
> > > > > > > is generally surface oriented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Come to think of it, is there any charting done with submarines
> > > > > > in mind?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > How much of a discrepancy will there be at depth?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good question. Possibly none.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > As for staying out of the way of traffic - you're in a
> > > > > > > submarine... just who are you expecting to run into?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm more worried about fishing boats and the like on their way
> > > > > > to wherever they are going. They'll stay in certain lanes,
> > > > > > if only out of habit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This does get back to the question of "What do you expect
> > > > > > to do with your submarine?" Submarine use can probably be
> > > > > > divided into a very few specific categories, based mostly
> > > > > > on the range and endurance of the boat. How many of us
> > > > > > expect to wander any distance? Will there be a repeat of
> > > > > > Simon Lake's 1898 trip that covered 1000 miles, part of it
> > > > > > in the Atlantic Ocean? I doubt it. Most of these boats
> > > > > > will drop to the bottom, cruise for a short distance and
> > > > > > get back to the support site rather quickly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > "In times like these, it helps to recall there have always been times like
> > these."-Paul Harvey
> >
> >
> >
--
"In times like these, it helps to recall there have always been times like
these."-Paul Harvey