Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators

["John Pier" <caribsub@coqui.net>]

I dont know how people here plan to use nuclear isotopes to power pers
submarines.
However as a reminder, any nuclear power station is nothing more than a
thermodynamic machine which uses nuclear energy as heat source most of the
time to produce steam from water.
It is the same principle than a fuel power station, but with no funnels and
no smoke
The nuclear material by its controlled fission heats up, heat is used to
bring water to steam to power turbines which turbines either transform their
energy in mechanical energy through a shaft, or in electricity through
generators.
So I don t see how nuclear waste or trash could even heat up a glass of
water, but more certainly would cause leukemia and make you glow in the
dark.
When a hospital uses some nuclear material, obviously you have no idea
through what they have to go to get their nuclear iosotopes and under which
severe control they are .
Too often I see in this forum submen who are doing their best in trying to
catch the attention of government agencies with weird and hazardous ideas
such as this one and before with propane to blow ballasts.
As of today, for PERSONNAL use everybody can build and operate a submarines
with no requirement. No control, no veritas, no inspections, nothing......
which is not the case for cars and aircrafts.
One day someone here will create a catastrophe with a "crazy" machine which
will bring all regulatory agencies on the psubs case. And it will be over
for the personnal subs bringing them to the same level as professional
manufacturers with inspections and controls.
I mean you can die with your own pers sub , as long as you die alone nobody
really cares, but if  someone because of contamination or an explosion
brings harm to innocent citizens you make the head lines.
So I think people here should watch each other
The magnetic drive is a wonderfull idea go this way only
Herve

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Kem <dustyut@lasal.net>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators


> Richard, without suitable documentation from the manufacturer, the
microwave
> oven is considered unlawful.
> Carl
>
>
> Richard Gordon wrote:
>
> > I realise that obtaining large quantities of radioactive material on the
> > black market as this gentleman obviously did, would attract a great deal
of
> > attention from the police. What I propose is to utilize the same
isotopes
> > that are used in many facets of medicine and also in house-hold
> > smoke-detectors to construct a device that would be no more harmful that
> > your kitchen microwave oven.
> >
> > As for the VG hulls, what I had in mind was areas of very simple
articulated
> > frame with a tough oil-impregnated neoprene skin stretched over it. This
> > would not risk a puncture, nor would it add an unacceptable amount of
> > weight. It would however only be suitable for small to medium sized
manned
> > subs, maybe even better for an AUV. But I think Carsten is right, I
should
> > stick to the magnetic engine!
> >
> > Rich
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carsten Standfuß <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 5:52 PM
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] oxygen generators
> >
> > > Ask this boys : http://www.schmidlin-lab.ch/allinformations.htm
> > >
> > > or search the net for : +oxygen +generators
> > >
> > > and to breath a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen is possible - in a
close
> > > diver rebreather - they did some test in the 60ies.
> > > Not very useful for "after diving" - smokers ..
> > >
> > > The last time here somebody use some gramm old waste radiation
material
> > > (from russia) for unknown porpose - some thousand police men hunt
him -
> > > they catch him - they put him in jail - the destroy the key to the
> > > prison-room he is still in.. - Privat nuke power ... not in europe
> > >
> > > The Magnetic-drive idear looks better..
> > >
> > > Carsten
> > >
> > > Richard Gordon schrieb:
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone got any info on using electrolysis to liberate oxygen
atoms
> > from
> > > > water for use by your rebreather system? This would probably be a
pretty
> > > > effective system as you would not have to store HP gas on board
(aside
> > from
> > > > an emergency backup tank). The downside would be that you would only
be
> > > > producing oxygen when you have elecricity. If you lost power for
some
> > > > reason, you would lose oxygen too. Perhaps this could work in
> > conjunction
> > > > wih a standard O2 supply.
> > > >
> > > > I know that big subs have O2 generators of this type, but I do not
know
> > how
> > > > readily the technology can be miniaturized. Again, opinions please.
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Michael B. Holt <mholt@richmond.edu>
> > > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:35 PM
> > > > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Snow White navigation (was: Snow White
virus)
> > > >
> > > > > "Sean T. Stevenson" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How much room do you have in your sub?  As far as DR is
concerned,
> > > > > > I like to lay out a chart and use a pencil...
> > > > >
> > > > > Somehow, plotting a course with a chart and pencil always looks
> > > > > more accurate, doesn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Assuming you have
> > > > > > an electronic solution in mind, are you talking about a GPS unit
> > > > > > or some sort of ECS?  Electronically I can see using a fluxgate
> > > > > > compass and external knotmeter to provide NMEA info on course
and
> > > > > > speed, with the GPS overriding when the signal becomes
> > > > > > available (when you are surfaced).
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, I supsect this sort of thing is available.  Probably
> > > > > in a high-end GPS unit, come to think of it.  This is just
> > > > > a thought-experiment.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Adjustment for current would need to be made according to a
> > > > > > tide/current atlas, but the information in these publications
> > > > > > is generally surface oriented.
> > > > >
> > > > > Come to think of it, is there any charting done with submarines
> > > > > in mind?
> > > > >
> > > > > > How much of a discrepancy will there be at depth?
> > > > >
> > > > > Good question.  Possibly none.
> > > > >
> > > > > > As for staying out of  the way of traffic - you're in a
> > > > > > submarine... just who are you expecting to run into?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm more worried about fishing boats and the like on their way
> > > > > to wherever they are going.  They'll stay in certain lanes,
> > > > > if only out of habit.
> > > > >
> > > > > This does get back to the question of "What do you expect
> > > > > to do with your submarine?"  Submarine use can probably be
> > > > > divided into a very few specific categories, based mostly
> > > > > on the range and endurance of the boat.  How many of us
> > > > > expect to wander any distance?  Will there be a repeat of
> > > > > Simon Lake's 1898 trip that covered 1000 miles, part of it
> > > > > in the Atlantic Ocean?  I doubt it.  Most of these boats
> > > > > will drop to the bottom, cruise for a short distance and
> > > > > get back to the support site rather quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > >
>
> --
> "In times like these, it helps to recall there have always been times like
> these."-Paul Harvey
>
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