Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nautilus competition was Re: A bit of a stretch

[MerlinSub@t-online.de (Carsten Standfuß)]

Pat, thank you for the
http://home.att.net/~karen.crisafulli/nautilus.html - 
its beautiful. I did my first drawing in the morning and its look very
similar. 

But in the evening I look in my book sources and found a bad copy
of "Die Entstehungsgeschichte der U-Boote" which maybe every 
drawing or description of built submarines from 1465 to 1901. 

And I found the "Le Plongeur" from Bourgois and Brun from 1863.

This was not a fiction it was a real boat and built. 
It was launched 8.6.1863 and looks like a copy of my drawing..
or the drawing on ..crisafuilli..
It was smaller just 47m long, beam 6m and was pressure air 
driven with 80 hp. But it has a rescueboat 8 m long in the middle looks
like
a normal rudder-boat but pressure proof with a entrance from the
bottom.. Maybe J.V. get his inspiration from this boat. 
Stern, bow - all looks very similar. She runs 5kn under water. 

And I found in "The Illustrated History of the Submarine" 
writen by Edward Horton at Sidgwick & Jachson , London 1974
ISBN 0 283 97972 0 on page 30 to 31 a picture of the original
yard model of the "Le Plongeur" - thats is the "Nautilus" ....
(just smaller.. 453,20 t )  

In my german language copy of the J.V. book the liberay has two windows
with
shutters and also the salon has two windows with shutters.. 
Also I found that the helmsman-control-sail can be lowered if the sub
goes in collison-action.

Carsten

Captain Nemo schrieb:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carsten Standfuß" <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 9:15 AM
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Nautilus competition was Re: A bit of a stretch
> 
> > David Buchner schrieb:
> The website below has picked Jules Verne as its "hero of the day." Actually,
> I suppose by the time most of you read this they'll have a new "hero of the
> day" and you'll have to look it up under "Previous Heroes of the Day."
> 
> [OK, I had to look at it!  It's a website for a philosophy (?) called
> "objectivism" (no idea what that is).  What I did find interesting was their
> "Previous Heroes" file included some guy named (sic) "Jesus H. Christ the
> Lord".  (Yep, THAT one!).
> Now, I never knew Jesus Christ had a middle name; and in fact, I only recall
> hearing this reference being made by my DI in Boot Camp: ("JESUS H.
> CHRIST!!!  CAN'T YOU MAGGOTS DO ANYTHING RIGHT?!?") Actually, I'm still not
> convinced.  Anyone know what Jesus' middle name might be?  Brother Dan, a
> little help with this one, if you please.]
> 
> > > But here's the thing: these folks have the amazing NERVE to take sides
> AGAINST Goff's lovely design! Imagine that! I was so shocked I just had to
> tell somebody!
> 
> [BARELY RELATIVE FACTOID: you can rearrange the letters in NERVE to spell
> VERNE!  Cool, huh?!]
> 
> > >
> > > >The machines of Jules Verne are grand, beautiful and functional. The
> submarine Nautilus is not the
> > > >fish-shaped contraption designed for the Disney film-it is a simple
> streamlined cylinder tapering to >points at bow and stern.
> 
> [Well, actually that's true: Verne's NAUTILUS was basically a spindle; and
> the Disney NAUTILUS is a "fish shaped contraption".  I've seen some
> Verne-purists deride the Goff design.  I still think it's kinda cool
> looking, though.]
> >
> > Hi David, I made some years ago a reconstrution from Jules Vernes
> > directly from Jules Vernes
> > book description. I did a drawing and remember that the submarine in his
> > discription looks like a
> > modern Seawolf Attack submarine. I lost the drawing later..
> >
> > We can start a competition here - every of us - how like - should made
> > his own drawing based on his version
> > of the book - do not look at the illustrations - they are wrong.. -
> 
> [Actually, Michael and Karen Crisafulli have an excellent website dedicated
> to this very topic at:
> 
> http://home.att.net/~karen.crisafulli/nautilus.html
> 
> There you will see many examples of the NAUTILUS based on Verne's
> descriptions, as envisioned by modelers, designers, and illustrators.  Check
> it out!]
> >
> > Pat ? Would you like to make the judge ?
> 
> [Whoa, Brah!  Me? Speak for Jules Verne?  Well, I'm terribly flattered, but
> totally unworthy.  Sorry!  Gotta decline on this one! Blush, gush;
> "Ah-hyoolt!  Gawsh, Mickey!"]
> 
> [> You have allready made your drawings - and you have the most expirence
> > with the book.
> 
> [Actually. I did a drawing about 9 years ago for the original version of the
> NAUTILUS MINISUB VIDEO; and I've noticed that it is similar to some designs
> I've seen lately on the Crisafulli's site.  I've read the book maybe seven
> or eight times; referred to it a lot; and seen as many versions of the movie
> as I could lay my hands on (got six copies of the Disney version; one of the
> 1917 silent version; and a slew of alternative productions); but still, I
> don't think that qualifies me to speak for The Man, or decide whose
> interpretation of his work is closest to what he had in mind.  Sorry!]
> 
> > Ray - would you like to display the most best say 3-5 drawings on a
> > Jules Verne remember page ?
> >
> > First layout of competition rules :
> >
> > 1.) We have to find a date were all drawings should be at Rays server -
> >     say for example in 7 days. (Sunday 4.of April)
> >
> > 2.) All kind of drawings, pictures or renderings should be okay - but it
> > has to be a man
> >     on the drawing - so that everybody including non-technicans can see
> > the size.
> >
> > 3.) Format has to be converted to .JPG  (I will help to convert .DXF
> > .DWG or some other formats)
> >
> > 4.) First price is ..??
> >
> > Maybe its fun  - Carsten
> >