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 Hi Les, 
Welcome aboard, I live across the ditch in NZ, so 
we are on a similar time zone. 
I'm building a very small 1 person fiber glass 
submarine out of epoxy, fiberglass & steel. 
There's no weight advantage to be had in going 
fiberglass or carbon fiber. You in fact make a heavier boat. 
Although carbon fiber is stronger  
for a given weight than steel, you need to go something like 4x the 
thickness 
to achieve the same strength. So if you have two 
subs, one of steel & one of carbon fiber, with an identical internal 
space; 
the one of carbon fiber will be larger, displacing 
more water & require more weight to sink it. You would have the expense 
of 
carbon fiber & extra lead as well. Another way 
of looking at the weight issue is, if you have a 200 liter drum it's got to 
weigh 
200 kilos to sink, wether its made of lead steel or 
polystyrene. The only way to get the weight down is to make it 
smaller. 
Carbon fiber is good in tension but I don't believe 
its any better than epoxy / fiberglass in compression.  
Round forms are the most pressure resistant & 
just about all subs stick to cylindrical, spherical & conical shapes wich 
put 
mainly compressive forces on the material. 
Being finer fibers its harder to get a resin to fiber bond with carbon fiber. 
Steel has uniform strength in all directions but 
fiberglasses don't. If you pull them in the direction of the fibers they're 
strong, but if you 
pull them diagonally to the fiber 
direction they're not. You need to lay up in a way to compensate for 
this. 
There was a good article on why not to use 
fiberglass in the psubs FAQ section but I couldn't find it. 
I'm using fiberglass because I'm going very 
small, it suites my design / construction technique & I'm prepared to over 
compensate with thickness. 
I'm aiming for the 250-300ft range. 
The size of the dome you mentioned would mean the 
diameter of your sub would require you to go quite thick with the carbon 
fiber. 
To get to 300ft with a dome 5ft in diameter you'd 
need about a 45mm thick cast dome & I would hate to even guess at 
what it would cost you, 
Someone else might wade in with a guess.  
Getting the Stachiw book on acrylic is a must. I held off buying it but am glad 
I did. 1000 pages 
all about acrylic. If you join psubs the discount 
on the book that you'll get pretty well pays for your membership. 
Here is a link to a free pressure program; you have 
to download the sequel server first. You can also download the manual. It 
analyzes cylinders 
cones, hemispheres & spheres under external 
pressure & gives crush depths, displacement etc. It doesn't show where ribs 
should go. 
A great tool for getting a rough idea of what 
thickness material is needed for someone designing there own sub. 
How many people is this for? 
Regards Alan 
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