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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Guy from down under needs help



 

Hi Les! Greetings from a fellow aussie J A light weight sub is every person’s dream… But as you can probably tell it hasn’t been done much before and to build a composite submarine in Australia is going to be very very expensive if not impossible, you need an autoclave and plug big enough to fit your sub in, or you build it out of smaller sections and join them, which causes other problems.

 

 Also your talking about wanting to go to a maximum of 300 feet right? But you have to over build your sub to ensure it is strong enough! Someone correct me if im wrong but I thought most sub’s were pressure tested to 3 times their expected max operating depth as part of their certification????

 

Also there is only one mode of failure with a composite pressure vessel… and I would imagine with 150psi pressing in from around you wouldn’t get much warning if something was wrong with it other than a pop or crack and then nothing… because you would be dead…

 

Here are some links I found, The military and universities have been toying with composite sub parts and hulls but I think for now your best bet would be to stick with steel or aluminum.. Composite air and hydrogen tanks sound/look like a good candidate but I don’t think I would trust their reliability, and pressure from the inside is different to pressure pressing in from the outside, Most of the carbon/Kevlar tanks are spun formed over a mold/plug which is then heated and pressure is put on..

 

http://www.ericgreeneassociates.com/images/History_of_Submarine_Composites.pdf - History of Submarine Composites

 

http://www.bac.net.au/submarine.html - An australian company that makes composite parts for the Collins class submarines though they are not pressure vessel’s..

http://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/article/20094/Composites-proved-for-submarine-hulls-.aspx - Pressure testing of an experimental composite submarine hull at the University of Portsmouth has validated finite element analysis (FEA) models it had created

http://composite.about.com/library/weekly/aa990217.htm - X-33 Composite Tank Problems, Complex shaped hydrogen tanks. Shows why composite materials are so difficult to use for mission critical applications and pressure vessels..

http://www.simona-de.com/static/sites/default/de/assets/Informationsmaterial/englisch/projektbericht_e/PB_16_engl._02_09_04-FINAL-.pdf - This document has some good pictures showing how large tanks are spun on a form..

http://www.ctd-materials.com/products/tanks.htm - Company that manufactures small composite pressure vessels, also lots of pictures which give you an idea…

http://www.pentairwatertreatment.com/PentairFiles/Pentair%20Water%20Treatment/Literature/Composite%20Tank%20Sell%20Sheet%2042575.pdf – Composite pressure vessels, some rated to 150psi

An example of one of their largest tanks…

Opening : 16" 6”

operating pressure : 150psi/10.34bar   

Height : 3695.7mm

Diameter : 1638.3

Capacity: 6057 Litres

Weight:  634kg

 

 

 

 

 

 


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Les & Anna
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 5:58 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Guy from down under needs help

 

HI,

My name is Les, in Australia, I joined psubs almost a year ago,after much much reading, and learning, an experience I am sure that you are all aware, I do have a couple of questions that some-one may be able to assist me with.

My aim is a specialized maximum depth 300feet 1atm sub, of which weight is most critical, therefore I am considering the exotics such as carbon fibre and Kevlar .

  1. Any experienced knowledge on these two materials re this pressure 150psi  that anyone can give me would be most appreciated.

  2. Any information regarding acrylic bubbles or more precise half bubble or dome 4 feet (1200mm) to 6 feet (1800mm)diameter for this depth and pressure, would also be

     of  assistance.

Looking forward to learning more

Cheers

Les