Dean,
     
    In general the idea is to use a large 
    diameter prop turning at a slow speed, it'll produce more thrust and be much 
    more efficient. According to Dave Gerr in "The propeller handbook", the 
    ideal is for the prop diameter to be one third the beam of the vessel. To give you an idea how much of a difference 
    diameter makes, I'll quantify with an example: 1 HP at the shaft could 
    produce 39.5 lbs of thrust with a 6" prop, or 62.7 lbs with a 12" prop. 
    Does it really have to be direct drive, or could you use say belt 
    drive to slow down the rpms? 
     
    Just to recap the design steps I went 
    through to answer this same question on my own project, they 
    were:
     
    1) Determine largest diameter prop I can 
    fit. In my case the limiting factors were interference with the surface, 
    and the desired draft. My prop ended up being 16".
     
    2) Next, calculate the most efficient 
    RPM. You can get it from:
     
    rpm^0.6 = (632.7 * SHP^0.2)/D 
    where
     
    SHP = shaft horse power 
    
    D = prop diameter
     
    In my case, I estimated SHP to be 90% of 
    the motor's rated continuous power, which led to 652 rpm.
     
     
    3) Estimate propeller slip. Your prop 
    isn't slicing through a solid, so it'll slip. How much depends largely on 
    how streamlined the boat is. The normal practice in ship design is to base 
    this number on comparison to similar vessels -- not easy to do for a sub, 
    where I had no data at all. For a displacement hull surface vessel a 
    normal value might be 45%. I increased that to 60% slip, because a PSUB 
    is far less hydrodynamic than your typical boat. However my value is a total 
    guesstimate.
     
     
     
    4) Estimate the vessel's theoretical 
    speed. 
     
    Speed in knots = [10.665 / 
    (Displacement in lbs / SHP)^0.3]*(waterline length in feet)^0.5
     
    Translate to mph multiplying by 
    1.15
     
    In my example, I get 5.68 
    mph
     
     
     
    5) Calculate the ideal propeller 
    pitch
     
    Pitch in inches = mph * 1056 / (rpm * 
    (100 - % slip)/100)
     
    In my case, pitch = 22.9"
     
    Now, because I'm planning to use a Kort 
    nozzle, I reduced the pitch quite significantly, to 18. Then I went on eBay, 
    and found a Michigan Prop 16 x 18. I can't remember how much it cost me, I 
    got it a while back -- but it was probably small change compared to what 
    they cost new. Another detail, it's what they call a "cupped" prop which 
    refers to the shape of the blades. Cupped are most efficient for slow 
    speeds, so that's an added bonus.
     
    I realize 
    several parameters are estimates. My objective is to get into the 
    ballpark of the correct values, and I do fully expect to play around 
    with different pulley combinations to fine tune shaft speed. 
    
     
     
     
    Hope that helps.
     
    Alec
     
     
     
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    From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
    [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of 
    Recon1st@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 
    14:08
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: 
    [PSUBS-MAILIST] buying a propeller 
    
    I am in need of choosing a propeller. 
    Any suggestions on what to consider? cost is for sure a 
    factor.
    I am not gear reducing at this time so I am going to be in 
    the
    1500 rpm range. I will be kicking up to 12hp and should have a 
    range
    between 1 and 2000 rpm.
    My overall dry weight should be about 6000lb
     
    Any help greatly appreciated.
     
    Dean
     
     
    
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