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[PSUBS-MAILIST] Thruster pressure compensation



I'm curious why these devices don't use water filled pressure compensation?
 
Positives:
1) Water is a MUCH better heat conductor
2) The viscosity of water is much lower than oil, leading to less internal drag
3) No environmental concerns. Cheap and easy to handle.
 
Negatives:
1) Corrosion must be considered.  Ferrite magnets, steel laminations, etc.
    The metal-working community uses various amounts and types of oil in coolant water to
    reduce or effectively eliminate corrosion. I wonder if this can mitigate this big concern.
2) If you have a leak, you won't know until enough salt & minerals diffuse into the motor to create problems
3) Must use distilled water (tap water has additional minerals which may deposit onto surfaces)
 
Neutral:
1) Both water and oil are compressible to about the same amount.  Water is about 0.34% per KSI, and Oil is about 0.5% per KSI.
    Either fluid will require a flexible bladder/accumulator to compensate for volume reduction at significant depths.
2) Both oil and distilled water are non-conductive. 
3) Dielectric strength would seem to be irrelavant for a low voltage motor.
 
 
Thoughts?
 
Mark
 
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Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Diver Lockout.... serious question here!!

Vance,
 
Air is the least effective means to cool something that is enclosed. The problem with air, if it is exchanged in a fast enough rate, it works great. On the other hand....if you can't exchange the air, you end up with an oven. Oil on the other hand can carry more heat away faster. The density is the factor here. Air is not very dense, so it will only absorb so much thermal energy per unit.Oil will absorb many more btu per unit than air. Also because oil will thermocycle.....the oil will transfer the heat to the container that contains it faster.
 
I think an air filled thruster would work good too, but there are problems with compression. If there are any bearings housed within the casing......they will bind under extreme pressure if filled with air. An oil filled enclosure will not compress as far. There will still be compression problems, but not to the extent of an air filled unit.
 
There was a project a few years ago....a guy made a gaming computer that used oil to keep all the expensive parts cool. You should look it up. It worked really well. (Oil cooled computer)
 
I do not plan at this point to run a reduction gear. BLDC motors are real good at direct drive.
 
I would like to build smaller thrusters that can go very deep.