Brent,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I to agree that important or
historical documents should be duplicated and stored at an alternate, safe
site. Unfortunately, Jeff doesn’t have a curatorial background, is severely
underfunded, and now is experiencing ill health with age. He took on the
burden of keeping the Lake materials after no one in the immediate family took
interest. The archives are kept in the first floor of his house which is a
short distance across the road to the Inland Waterway just south of Melbourne,
FL (hurricane alley lately) and have suffered accordingly. This was my fear
when first visiting the site in the early 90s. The materials are in disarray
and not accessioned. It is my impression that he feels that there is great
financial value in the materials and is rather guarded when discussing the
matter of others assistance. I will re-evaluate this opinion after my visit in
late April and let you know.
Simon Lake grew up in South Jersey just outside of Atlantic City
in a town called Pleasantville. It is my belief that a formal museum could be located
there and would be eligible for funding from the casinos as well as the State,
and Federal governments due to the area being financially repressed. There is
a local state college that could provide interns as part of their history
program. I have considered forming a non-profit corporation to promote this
idea. Hopefully Jeff can be convinced to support the plan as there is no one
in his surrounding family interested in maintaining the Lake historical
records.
Jeff and his sister, Melissa have previously attempted to
develop interest in a Lake documentary but have not been able to come up with a
great enough “hook” to justify funding.
I have toyed with building 3-D models of the Explorer, Argonaut
and the Argonaut II in Rhino which then could easily be transformed into
solid models, whether as ½ ship models or of 3-D resin. There are not many
photographs of the subs and those that are available are of poor quality. Guessing
that the average man was probably 5 ½ feet in stature at the turn of the
century, the images could be roughly scaled to develop plans from…these
would just be lacking in detail.
R/Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
A skimmer afloat is but a submarine, so poorly built it will not
float.
From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent
Hartwig
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:39 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Fabrication at home
Good Morning Jay,
The expedition sounds very interesting and perhaps a little fun to. I
hope you guys get to go and find some thing substantial to boot. With
regards to historical records and other materials I usually like the idea of
scanning all the documents and taking tons of pictures of every thing else and
putting the items in more them one place on the planet. So that if one place is
routed with fire, theft, water, etc. there is still allot left to see. Perhaps
allot or all of the above has already been done, just my thoughts. I know
it takes allot of work, care and money, and I don't like to suggest others
should do a bunch of work without pitching in myself. So perhaps I should
see if Jeff Lake would be interested in any help from me or others in the group
in this regard. Do you think that would be ok with Jeff?
Of late we have talked about a scholarship from PSUB's, and perhaps that
scholarship or one like it could be used to work on the Simon Lake data and
materials. I was really hoping there would be more detailed pictures and
data on the Argonauts, but that is what it is. I believe that some
quite nice model's could still be made from the little data at hand. They
wouldn't be exact of course, but I think interesting none the less. I've been
learning how to overlap materials like the materials used on the Aurgonauts in
CAD and cutting holes for rivits and placing rivits on compound curved
surfaces. So it's getting interesting.
One would think that the History Channel, Discovery Channel, or the like
would be all over this with there great interest in war history and interesting
history in general.
Regards,
Brent
"Idealism increases in direct
proportion to one's distance from the problem." - John Galsworthy
From: "Jay K. Jeffries"
<bottomgun@mindspring.com>
To: "'Brent Hartwig'" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Fabrication at home
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:27:02 -0400
Brent,
The Simon Lake Museum is in poor shape due to inadequate facilities
and no funding. Since I last visited some time ago, two hurricanes caused
water damage to many of the records held. Jeff Lake (Simon’s
grandson) is living off of what he can make selling off documents with
Simon’s signature and other items out of the collection.
Unfortunately, there are no drawings available in the collection (or in the
National Archives) of Lake’s personal submarines to design accurate
models from. Even most of the photographs are of poor quality.
Would really like models of these subs.
I am trying to arrange a meeting with Jeff in late April to
conduct research of the final resting place of Simon’s submersible Defender
that was supposedly scuttled in the Long Island Sound. I am slated to be
a member of the expedition that searches for the sub this summer.
Take care,
Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
A skimmer afloat is but a submarine, so poorly built it will not
float.
From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent
Hartwig
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:52 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Fabrication at home
I was very happy with the results of my prototypes made
from using the SLS (Selective Laser Sintering) DuraForm polyamide
(PA) for it's great detail and for testing my living hinge. I could sand it
really smooth and paint it as well. The SLA prototypes didn't look near
as good to me. The prices have come down quite a bit now that there is
allot more competition out there. A guy could take his CAD models of PSUBS and
scale them down to make models out of them using the SLS parts to make molds
off of. I was thinking it would be fun to make a couple of model kits of
the Simon Lake submarines, like the Argonauts to help support a Simon Lake
Museum.
From: "Rick
and Marcia" <empiricus@telus.net>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 3D Fabrication at home
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:56:03 -0800
>For all you CAD/CAM types out there . . .
>
>http://www.physorg.com/news92328869.html
>
>Enjoy
>
>Rick Lucertini
>Vancouver, Canada
>
>
>
>
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