Brent,
Dry suit
zippers due not like to be bent sharply so very long zippers are not really
feasible in most dry suits (plus they are very expensive). In addition, unless
carefully placed, will limit mobility. A number of years ago, there was a wet
suit made for helo crewmembers that could be worn full time and if dumped in
the water, long zippers were pulled up and the suit became form fitting and
thus provide better thermal insulation. Aircrew survival suits have been built
like dry suits but do not require the mobility of a dry suit. These are worn
full time and the Kevlar-NOMEX III-Gortex material will sort of breathe until immersed
in water where it becomes water proof. Over 15 years ago, this material cost
$75/yard and was difficult to acquire in the small quantities that a dry suit
manufacturer would require to meet the expected demand for a suit of this
nature.
R/J2
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to
entertain a thought without accepting it.
- Aristotle
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]
On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007
11:26 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub
in distress
Carsten,
I would
think with all the wet and dry suit manufactures out there, there must be a
suit that has or can be made with allot of long zippers and or velcro seams for
making it much easier to put on in a small area. Of course as you say it's
going to be very hard to put on a regular suit, if at all in allot of smaller
PSUB's.
Regards, Brent
From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub
in distress
Date: 05 Feb 2007 15:22 GMT
>Brent,
>
>in the most small Psubs it is not possible to get into a wet or dry suit.
>
>But a small scuba gear with mask is possible in any sub.
>
>regards Carsten
>
>
>
>"Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It always seemed to me that a PSUB should have dry suits and/or wet
suits, along with SCUBA gear for all on board for leaving a flooded sub.
Of course putting on wet suits in a small sub is a challenge but it can be
done. I wish the military subs of the world would design there submarines
so that all personnel on board can leave the sub in a dry 1 ATM escape
pods. The escape pods can be inside the subs hull just like the triton
missiles are, but with allot of hatch and other systems of course. Even
if the submarine is one it's side the pods would be designed to still able to
exit. I've been thinking about a PSUB design were the main pressure hull can
detach from the main supper structure and float to the surface, if your supper
structure is entangled or other issues.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > From: "Joseph Perkel"
<joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:03:25 +0000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oystein,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We have discussed this at length, and is always worthwhile as a
discussion to be revisited. The general consensus is as you say, self rescue is
the best course.
> >
> > You simply need to be able to get out of a flooded sub. Saturation
issues aside for a moment, even here in Florida,
exposure can be an issue...in Norway....I
don't even want to think about it!
> >
> > A non-flooded casualty (entanglement), with sufficient reserve and
surface communication, you might evaluate the situation for external help if
risk is negligible (depth?).
> >
> > The marker buoy in my case is to serve two purposes..1) keep vessels
clear of the downed sub 2) mark it for recovery.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Øystein Skarholm"
<skarholm@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:00:23 +0100
> > >Have anyone considered the probability to be rescued in case of
an
> > >emergency in submerged stage ? A distress buoy can help getting
> > >attention, but what else? I think submariners in psubs needs to
be
> > >able to rescue them self. Up here in Norway, we have no rescue
> > >vessels
> > >for quick response in matters like this. Looking back to the
rescue
> > >of
> > >KURSK,
we are talking about days before rescue arrives. Thoughts
> > >anyone?
> > >
> > >--
> > >Vennlig hilsen
> > >Øystein Skarholm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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