From: "Smyth, Alec" <Alec.Smyth@compuware.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Distress Buoy
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 17:17:46 -0500
I wanted to put an antenna in my buoy and researched using a coax cable for
the line. But it seemed the electrical losses could have been a problem
over the length I needed (300 feet), and the cable diameter was definitely
a problem because I had very limited space. I ended up using very thin line
from parachute canopies, purchased off an online skydiving store, which was
thin enough to fit yet can take a strain of 1,000 lbs.
Here's a link to what the big boys do on this topic...
http://www.hydro.gov.uk/content/amdAttachments/2006/annual_nms/ANM8%202006.pdf
Alec
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of
MerlinSub@t-online.de
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:34 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Distress Buoy
Brent the effect is - if you release the bouy in the stern of sgt.peppers
that you lost bouancy first. The lift of the bouy is about 3 liter (6
pound) - the stern goes first heavy. The foam is tight to 48 bars - much
more than we need.
We test the system to 40 meters without problems. The trigger system and
the reel was first time to flippsy - but the new device works fine. A scuba
reel is not common - is to small and light.
The flashlight resistance our 60 meter test. I am not worry if it fails in
greater deep. Should this be happen we will purchase a new one and fill
this with a clear oil.
We use our boats in lakes - and have a motorhome onshore, with
dive-time-tables - distress signal not nessesary there. On open sea we have
a supply trawler - and the officer of the watch has allways to look for
sub, bouys, divers, zodiacs etc..
A very light electric cable wich can be use for vhf purpose and a antenna
on the bouy also would be a great idear. I don't now if soenmthing
"lightcable" is available.
regards Carsten
"Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com> schrieb:
>
>
> Carsten,
>
> I had a feeling some one had used syntactic foam for distress buoys. I
like the ease of using a rope like you did on Sgt. Pepper. I was thinking
along the lines of using stainless steel cable for more lifting strength.
Of course there are some pretty good ropes out there as well. The problem
I have with using cable is it's weigh, which is going to pull hard on the
buoys buoyancy, and the more cable I let out the more weight pulling on the
buoy. This means if I want to have allot of cable I have the calculate the
weight of the cable in fresh water and make the buoys bouyancy strong
enough to deal with it. This way if I also need to release the whole role
of cable, the buoy can lift it.
>
> So when you speak of a flash light on your buoy, do you mean a strobe
light? If so what is the depth rating on that light? I was thinking of
using the kind that are commonly attached the life jackets. I like you
releasability of your buoy if your to deep. But ideally I would want the
bouy to stay attached to the sub so it's easier to find, since the currents
and wind can really take a buoy for a ride. Also if you have a EPIRP the
moment it hits the surface and can send a signal it will give a GPS
position to a satelite so they rescue party can have a starting point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brent
>
>
>
>
>
> From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
> Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Distress Buoy
> Date: 04 Feb 2007 21:11 GMT
> >The distress bouy on Sgt Peppers is made from syntatic foam.
> >Has a flashlight on top and is on a 100 meter reel.
> >Rope can be pulled to 250 kg load before break.
> >
> >If the boat catch underwater something - you can put the trigger inside
the boat and the bouy will be release and surface. A diver can come down to
raise the boat with a lifting back.
> >
> >Its an additional feature which cost nearly nothing. Nemo has also one.
> >If you build a sub acoording to classification rules.. you have to have
one.
> >
> >regards Carsten
> >
> >
> >"Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> > >
> > >
> > > Has any one seen or heard of a distress buoy made out of syntactic
foam? I would think it would be a logical choice of material. I would
guess that the Navy uses this type of buoy but I haven't seen any data to
that effect. I was thinking of making a rectangular shaped buoy for
stability, cover it with fiberglass, then paint that orange or the like.
With good stability you can then add a three or four foot fiberglass or
carbon fiber rod in the middle with a flag and strobe light attached at the
top. Perhaps a VHF antenna could also be mounted on this buoy. Of course
a EPIRB with GPS could be added, but you would have to check the depth
rating on the EPIRB first and if it can't handle the depth you plan to go
then perhaps a very small pressure hull to protect it could be
constructed. A alarm noise maker might be able to be put on this buoy as
well. If you use a strong enough cable to hold onto the buoy, then
perhaps if your not to entangled with some thing, a!
nd yo!
> > u have an attachment point on the buoy to the cable, someone could
winch you up to the surface with out having to dive down to the sub, which
might be to deep for your local divers. You could tell the rescuers on the
surface if your entangled or not with the VHF antenna. You could also tell
them any thing else they may need to know. Just some brain storming, so
please speak your mind, since I'm likely missing a thing of two.
> > >
> > > Here is a couple pictures of a basic 3D model of a distress buoy I
worked up last night of what I'm thinking might work.
> > >
> > > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2384531&pid=3936744
> > >
> > > http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2384531&pid=3936746
> > >
> > > Nice decal work on the Alvin Jr. submersible Joe. Now you
> > > have one more tool to put in your toolbox of skills. Regards,
> > > Brent
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> > > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Viewport
> > > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:26:26 +0000
> > > >Carsten,
> > > >
> > > >If I recall correctly, DSRV (or another sub) uses remote viewing
> > > >(cameras) as well. I think this is a very fine choice for
> > > >Euronaut for the reasons you state. It should be quite a
> > > >spectacular Navigation station when done.
> > > >
> > > >I will be using a minimum of two myself with a common 6" lCD
> > > >screen, one camera on the bow with a slight down angle, and one
> > > >in the sail facing aft for surface use as I will be dispensing
> > > >with the aft viewport completely. That space will be occupied
> > > >with a distress buoy.
> > > >
> > > >Joe
> > > >
> > > >>From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
> > > >>Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > >>To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > >>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Viewport
> > > >>Date: 03 Feb 2007 09:39 GMT
> > > >>
> > > >>Two viewports in the bow endcap are calculate to about 12.000
> > > >>USD including the stainless steel frameholder without installation
.
> > > >>And because of the divetanks the distance to an object in front
> > > >>is around 4 meters = 13 feet to the viewer. Viewport are useless
> > > >>as higher underwaterspeed than 1 knots or so. And the euronaut
> > > >>can not drive so slow that you can navigate to viewports.
> > > >>Thats the reason that I decide to get with a video system.
> > > >>
> > > >>I go with videocameras and big monitors. Like the bridge on
> > > >>Startrek Enterprice.
> > > >>One videocamera is abt.100 USD and they are close to the bow. I
> > > >>will have at least 6. One in the bow. 3 in the mast to generate
> > > >>panoramic view. One looks to the propeller and one is in the
> > > >>diver compartment. We can switch the four monitors in the bridge
> > > >>as we like. On a bigger Psub sonars ar more common for
> > > >>navigation. So the sub will get one forward looking sonar and
> > > >>one side scan sonar - and one echosounder of course.
> > > >>
> > > >>A 180° dome with 570 mm diameter and safe for 200 m operating
> > > >>deep is availabel via Emile or me and will cost something around
> > > >>1000-1200 euro.
> > > >>Base material is 40 mm strong and minimum tickness on the
> > > >>highest point is about 15 mm. Comes without classification. You
> > > >>can have them with certificate also but than add just a zero to
> > > >>the price figures. Other dome diameters are possible but more
> > > >>expensive because we have to make another tool.
> > > >>
> > > >>best regrads Carsten
> > > >>
> > > >>"Øystein Skarholm" <skarholm@gmail.com> schrieb:
> > > >> > Thank you very much Carsten, John and Andy. How come you,
> > > >>Carsten,
> > > >> > choose to have no viewports at all on the Euronaut?
> > > >> > Are there any web sides where I can go and have a look at
> > > >>viewports?
> > > >> > Maybe with info about price as well. I think there is a lot
> > > >> > of considering to be done.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 2/2/07, MerlinSub@t-online.de <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
wrote:
> > > >> > > Di = 27 inch or 686 mm (clear view) for 300 meter
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > s/d1 = 0,21 and 10°
> > > >> > > so s = Tickness = 0,21 x 686 = 144 mm or about 6 ich strong
> > > >>acrylic.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Outside Diameter of glas should be between 1,25-1,5 of Di =
> > > >> > > 34 - 40 inch.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Calculate to Germaninscher Lloyds rules.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Dome will be better.. 0,034 x 27 = about 1 inch thickness.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Best regards Carsten
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > "Øystein Skarholm" <skarholm@gmail.com> schrieb:
> > > >> > > > Does anybody know if flat view ports can go as deep as
> > > >> > > > 250m
> > > >>- 300meter.
> > > >> > > > The view port size is off course critical here. I am
> > > >>thinking of a
> > > >> > > > view port size approximately 27 inch.
> > > >> > > > Where can I find material properties for strength
> > > >>calculation on acryl ?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > What is the best material for view ports anyway.
> > > >> > > > Hope somebody knows the answer or where to find the answer.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Thanks
> > > >> > > >
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