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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings



How does one test a sub designed to be manned - unmanned?
 
Do the K-??? plans come with some sort of automation, or maybe surface tether?
 
This interest me.
 
George H. Slaterpryce III
www.captovis.com
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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings

Hi All.
 
Just been away for a couple of days in France and i return to find lots of replies to my reinforcing rings discussion.
 
Thanks all for the input/advice. 
 
Following peoples advice, I'm going to roll the tube, weld it and then re-roll it to get it within the required roundness.
 
Rings im going to use the T bar shape as shows on the plans.  The company im getting them off says that they can roll standard T bar in the size i need.  I will make them slightly larger than needed and fit them open.  Bring them out.  Weld closed and refit into the final position. 
 
The idea of stress relieving the hull sounds a good idea, but not possible for me here where i am.   My tests will involve a series of unmanned deep dives, ending at 150m for 1 hour.  Hopefully that should test the hull to a depth much greater than i intend to use it.  There is an old WW2 German Armoured freighter that was sunk by a british submarine during the war just off the harbour at about 30m.  Its my intention to dive on that if possible.
 
Thanks
James
 
 
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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings

Theoretically it would give you, what...a sixty percent increase? But you'd have to recalculate and redesign all the penetrations and viewports to match.
Vance 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: thomas.doster@gmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings

As someone who welds on submarines for a living, I'd have to agree 
with Dan H's methodology for welding the rings. It is a good way to 
minimize the stress. With regard to what Leon contributed, I think 
it's imperative that anyone even considering building any sort of 
pressure vessel knows these things. Understanding the stress that 
welding causes on steel is VERY important to know, especially when 
your life is being supported by it. While there are a few methods of 
stress reduction, not all are readily available to all PSubbers. The 
best idea, if you haven't spent any time welding professionally, or 
even if you have, is to read over some corporate welding requirements. 
Anything you can get your hands on. A lot of them specify pre-heat and 
interpass temperatures, joint design specifications, and many other 
things. I think the American Bureau of Shipping documentation on 
Hyberbaric Chambers has a lot of these things in there as well. 
 
If you have the time, sit in on a metallurgy class at a local college. 
Or attend as a student. If you're welding yourself, there are SO MANY 
things you can and should learn before tackling such a project. 
 
One question I have for Dan, Leon, or anyone else who knows: 
Has anyone constructed a K-350 submarine out of HY-80 steel or any 
other material? Would that increase it's depth capacity? What do the 
plans specify? 
 
Thanks, 
-Tom 
 
On 9/10/06, ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com> wrote: 


> Hello. One more thing. I asked the question about stress relieving the 
> finished hull also. There are some companies that have huge ovens to do just 
> that. One in Texas that makes the tank heads I want does it on tank heads 
> for high pressure, and will even do a whole tank. 
> Their oven is very large. I think stress relieving is required on tanks that 
> store very cold things and create problems with cold brittle stress. 
> The company is " Fort Worth F & D Tank Head " --great prices there. 
> Frank Dalgleish. 
 
 
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