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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings



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I researched using HY-80 or HY-100, and ran into the issue that it was only material available as plate, and even then it was very hard to find. Suppliers were asking me "what are you building, a missile or a tank?" and quoting accordingly. I was unable to find off the shelf things like endcaps. So while it is possible to purchase the plate and have reqorked into an endcap, it would add enormously to the cost relative to off the shelf components. I guess you could come up with a hybrid design, using plate for the skin of the main pressure vessel, and 516 gr 70 for the other parts.
 
rgds,
 
Alec
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of vbra676539@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:01 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings

Theoretically it would give you, what...a sixty percent increase? But you'd have to recalculate and redesign all the penetrations and viewports to match.
Vance 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: thomas.doster@gmail.com
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] K-350 Reinforcing Rings

As someone who welds on submarines for a living, I'd have to agree 
with Dan H's methodology for welding the rings. It is a good way to 
minimize the stress. With regard to what Leon contributed, I think 
it's imperative that anyone even considering building any sort of 
pressure vessel knows these things. Understanding the stress that 
welding causes on steel is VERY important to know, especially when 
your life is being supported by it. While there are a few methods of 
stress reduction, not all are readily available to all PSubbers. The 
best idea, if you haven't spent any time welding professionally, or 
even if you have, is to read over some corporate welding requirements. 
Anything you can get your hands on. A lot of them specify pre-heat and 
interpass temperatures, joint design specifications, and many other 
things. I think the American Bureau of Shipping documentation on 
Hyberbaric Chambers has a lot of these things in there as well. 
 
If you have the time, sit in on a metallurgy class at a local college. 
Or attend as a student. If you're welding yourself, there are SO MANY 
things you can and should learn before tackling such a project. 
 
One question I have for Dan, Leon, or anyone else who knows: 
Has anyone constructed a K-350 submarine out of HY-80 steel or any 
other material? Would that increase it's depth capacity? What do the 
plans specify? 
 
Thanks, 
-Tom 
 
On 9/10/06, ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com> wrote: 


> Hello. One more thing. I asked the question about stress relieving the 
> finished hull also. There are some companies that have huge ovens to do just 
> that. One in Texas that makes the tank heads I want does it on tank heads 
> for high pressure, and will even do a whole tank. 
> Their oven is very large. I think stress relieving is required on tanks that 
> store very cold things and create problems with cold brittle stress. 
> The company is " Fort Worth F & D Tank Head " --great prices there. 
> Frank Dalgleish. 
 
 
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