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 Dave, I really do not understand your tone with 
me.... "Get a grip"?   "Get over it"?   What are you on 
about? Of course I would stay away from ads like that. That was NOT the issue. 
The issue was that this person was claiming 
  
to sell a submarine that violiated Phil Nuytten's 
rights, since as I understand it, Phil makes those subs and sells them 
exclusively. The whole point of what I was telling Phil was how he might go 
about getting law 
  
enforcement to find and prosecute the guy. Your 
analogy about the gold wing has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The 
issue I was discussing was not about being naive or stupid in buying, it was 
about 
  
getting law enforcement to take action regarding a 
fraud that affects Phil's products. Get a grip indeed on the proper subject 
matter before you snap at someone. 
  
Kindest Regards, 
  
Bill Akins. 
  
  
  ----- Original Message -----  
  
  
  Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:43 
PM 
  Subject: Re: Re:[PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep 
  flyer on Ebay? 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Come on Akins,,,get a grip.  E bay is just like any other place to 
  do business.  If it seems to good to be true than stay away from 
  it.  Maybe we should send cash to the guy that has a brand new 2005 
  Honda Gold Wing with only 7 miles on it, .. Get over it...Gold Wing 
  located in Athens Greece..out of country sales only.free shipping   
  .Buy it now price  
  $1,000.... 
  Dave Banks
  Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com> 
  wrote: 
  
    
    
    Smile. Hi Phil. It sounds like your mounties 
    are a bit like our sherriff deputies. But at least you can get them to make 
    a report so it is on record. 
      
    Then go over the mounties heads and seek 
    whatever canada has as a local prosecutor in your area. Call them, make 
    an appointment and take them 
      
    a copy of the report you made with the 
    mounties. Surely your country must have laws against fraud. I know we do in 
    the U.S. 
      
    If they want to find out from what computer 
    address this guy registered with e bay on that is not a problem. It can be 
    done by supeona of e bay records. 
      
    Here in the U.S. we make a police report (if in 
    the city) or a sherriff report (if in the county) and that can either be 
    turned in to the state attorney's office (local prosecutor) 
      
    by either the reporting officer (mountie) or by 
    the citizen directly filing with the state attorneys office. At that point 
    the state attorney (local prosecutor) decides whether a law has been broken 
    and if it is worth  
      
    their time to take action on it or not. 
     
      
    I understand your cynicism about apathetic, 
    unconcerned law enforcement. We have the same thing here. But you file your 
    report and then call and bug your prosecutor's office until 
      
    they do something. At least you can try. 
    Nothing to lose but some time. Question is....is it worth it to 
    you? 
      
    Kindest Regards, 
      
    Bill Akins. 
      
      
      
    
      ----- Original Message -----  
      
      
      Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:07 
      PM 
      Subject: Re: Re:[PSUBS-MAILIST] Deep 
      flyer on Ebay? 
      
  Hi, Bill:         
      Thanks for your advice re State Attorney. Fact is, I dont have one . . 
      .a State Attorney, that is. In fact, I don't even have a State! I 
      guess I could go to the RCMP, though.. Canada's not big on litigation, 
      so the Mounties may not take me seriously: " An' so, Mister New-teen, 
      you say dat you build submarines, eh? An' some person want to sell you 
      a submarine what you 'ave already own? But you say 'non' . . .so, den , 
      what is it that you wish us to do? Oh, get you a State Attorney . . . 
      Sacre Mon, but 'av course! Dat is the dream of ev'ry Canadien . . .but, 
      infortune, the best we can do is to offer a Provincial blackboard 
      monitor or, pr'haps, a a hockey referee . . . Now,  careful dat 
      dat door don' strike you on d'cul on d'way out. Phil 
      Nuytten
 
 
 
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