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Seems we had a few military barracks blown up in
lebanon and among other locations. Those were military
targets.
The USS Cole was a military target. Some might say
the goal of terrorists is terror. But I believe their goal is
attention
and recognition for their cause. Hitting a civilian
target is easier than a military one usually, but both get the worlds
attention.
Kindest Regards,
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:29
AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse
news
Previous? Meaning past tense?
Ok.
I
believe that you are going to attack any type of target; it would
be
prudent to attack a soft target (civilian) vs. a hard target (military).
To engage a Warship of any country is a military target, and that is
not the
goal of terrorism, that is a strategic target, and it would not
serve any
political agenda, other than the destruction of that intended
target.
Also, if you truly intended to carry out such a attack, ocean
liners would
be the best targets, due to a variety of reasons, one of which
is the lack
of sonar, other than your basic depth finder, and other
navigational
equipment, it would be the best target for being a soft
target, plus the
lives onboard. Another reason is, when any liner makes a
port call, there is
not alot of maritime security, due to the nature of the
ports...(many of
which is civlian resorts, and little to no security)
However, I could be wrong about most of what I said, but, due to my
job, I
have 8 years of experience in such matters. So, I do what I am
talking
about.
-----Original Message-----
From:
caribsub@coqui.net
[mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:37 PM
To:
personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject:
RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
during my previous experience in
combat diving, we have been chasing divers
from
a famous environmental
group, they always have been successfull in damaging
surface warships
including a nuclear british submarine. only once 3 of them
were caught at
the beach later, 3 ladies, 55 olds.
if 3 55 y old ladies can damage a
nuclear british sub, beleive me terrorist
WILL
be successfull against a
US ship with less experience in this matter.
What happened to the US Cole
would not have happened to a British or french
war
ship very well
prepared against this type of attack at this time .
Again this behavior of
thinking that it cannot happen against such
powerfull
navy ship
will have consequences.
if the sub is moving under a thermocline in an port
it will not be detected
by
sonar.
in ports Russian ships run full
blown sonar, not to detect subs or divers
but to
disable them if
any.
then even you detect it, you got 2 minutes top to respond, good
luck...
Best
Herve
Mensaje citado por "Gillis Christopher S,
OS2(CTF76 N31C)"
<ChristopherG@CTF76.navy.mil>:
>
Sorry, reposted due to errors.
>
> It seems there is alot of
dislike of the U.S. Navy.
>
> However speaking off the record, it
is very doubtful that any kind of sub
> surface vessel could be used
effectively against a US Carrier, due to
> several reasons...most of
which should be common sense, and some which
will
> not be
spoken.
>
> Regardless of no prop to move the vessel, if moving,
it will be detected
by
> sonar, just like any other object in the
ocean regardless of means or
> propulsion.
>
> -S.
Christopher Gillis
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Gillis Christopher S, OS2(CTF76 N31C)
>
[mailto:ChristopherG@CTF76.navy.mil]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005
4:30 PM
> To: 'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'
>
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
>
>
> Seems there
is allot of dislike of the U.S. Navy.
>
> However speaking off the
record, it is very doubtful that any kind of sub
> surface vessel could
be used effectively against a US Carrier, due to
> several
reasons...most of which should be common sense...and some
which
will
> not be spoken.
>
> Regardless of no prop to
move the vessel, if moving, it will be detected
by
> sonar,
regardless of means or propulsion, just like any other object
in
the
> ocean.
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: caribsub@coqui.net
[mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:41
PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
>
>
> Dubai is
one of the safest place in the world to live.
> Just not forget that the
vehicle mostly used by terrorist is a car, toyota
> or
>
mitsubishi. The last concern of designers (car, plane , boat) and now
>
submarines is to the least criminal use of their designs.
> Criminals
have endless possibilities from toaster to people to plant bombs
> so
i
> am not going refrain myself against innovation because of
criminals.
> What is criminal is to not let ourself prepared against
such attacks, i
> designed
> a submarine specially to prevent
underwater attacks which has not received
> any
> interest from
the all powerfull US Navy. so i did my duty and i am not
going
>
to
> open a bakery instead of selling subs because somebody, someday
might use
a
> sub
> to blow up something.
> however Al
quaida reportedly already has acquired mini subs, which i know
>
are
> not from me.
> My scubajet is a breakthrough in scuba
diving, it is a low profile light
> diver
> propulsion vehicle in
a ergonomic backpack including a BC with no hoses or
> consoles sticking
out (HUB), you control propulsion with a bite switch in
> your
>
mouth piece which
> makes it hands free. optional is a small LCD mask
screen to display info,
> depth, speed, air capacity.
> There is
no props, it is true that if used with a rebreather it is
difficult
>
to
> detect, remember that most diver detectors are passive, listening
to
noises
> under the water, but rather ineffective anyways in a port
because of heavy
> activity generating noises, active sonars to detect
divers are also rather
> ineffective is such shallow water.
> Best
regards
> Herve
>
>
> Mensaje citado por Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com>:
>
>
> Hmmm. I wonder how long it will take before some terrorist figures
out
> that
> > they could use one of these non propeller, non
moving parts rocket
> propelled
> > subs to counter the
overwhelming superiority of the U.S. navy.
> >
> > With no
prop and stealthy, the U.S. sub detectors might have a hard time
> >
picking them up. Being built in Dubai it is pretty close to middle
east
> > hotspots. Remember...the italians used similiar tactics with
their two
man
> > submarines in WW2 against the
overwhelming
> >
> > superiority of the British navy with
modest sucesses. Think about it.
One
> of
> > these subs
with a high explosive charge could sink a U.S. aircraft
>
carrier.
> > If U.S. intelligence is smart (and they frequently are
not) they would
> > monitor who buys these subs in that part of
the
> >
> > troubled world..
> >
> > I
guess time will tell.
> >
> > Kindest Regards,
> >
Bill Akins.
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: caribsub@coqui.net
>
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:22 AM
>
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
> >
>
>
> >
> > Hello everyone
>
> links of news releases on the Seahorse Submarines moving to
Dubai,
UAE.
> >
> > http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/BusinessNF.asp?ArticleID=152124
>
>
> > http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/53898.html
>
>
> > http://82.195.132.90/news/?ID=258
>
>
> >
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