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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
Previous? Meaning past tense?
Ok.
I believe that you are going to attack any type of target; it would be
prudent to attack a soft target (civilian) vs. a hard target (military).
To engage a Warship of any country is a military target, and that is not the
goal of terrorism, that is a strategic target, and it would not serve any
political agenda, other than the destruction of that intended target.
Also, if you truly intended to carry out such a attack, ocean liners would
be the best targets, due to a variety of reasons, one of which is the lack
of sonar, other than your basic depth finder, and other navigational
equipment, it would be the best target for being a soft target, plus the
lives onboard. Another reason is, when any liner makes a port call, there is
not alot of maritime security, due to the nature of the ports...(many of
which is civlian resorts, and little to no security)
However, I could be wrong about most of what I said, but, due to my job, I
have 8 years of experience in such matters. So, I do what I am talking
about.
-----Original Message-----
From: caribsub@coqui.net [mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:37 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
during my previous experience in combat diving, we have been chasing divers
from
a famous environmental group, they always have been successfull in damaging
surface warships including a nuclear british submarine. only once 3 of them
were caught at the beach later, 3 ladies, 55 olds.
if 3 55 y old ladies can damage a nuclear british sub, beleive me terrorist
WILL
be successfull against a US ship with less experience in this matter.
What happened to the US Cole would not have happened to a British or french
war
ship very well prepared against this type of attack at this time .
Again this behavior of thinking that it cannot happen against such
powerfull
navy ship will have consequences.
if the sub is moving under a thermocline in an port it will not be detected
by
sonar.
in ports Russian ships run full blown sonar, not to detect subs or divers
but to
disable them if any.
then even you detect it, you got 2 minutes top to respond, good luck...
Best
Herve
Mensaje citado por "Gillis Christopher S, OS2(CTF76 N31C)"
<ChristopherG@CTF76.navy.mil>:
> Sorry, reposted due to errors.
>
> It seems there is alot of dislike of the U.S. Navy.
>
> However speaking off the record, it is very doubtful that any kind of sub
> surface vessel could be used effectively against a US Carrier, due to
> several reasons...most of which should be common sense, and some which
will
> not be spoken.
>
> Regardless of no prop to move the vessel, if moving, it will be detected
by
> sonar, just like any other object in the ocean regardless of means or
> propulsion.
>
> -S. Christopher Gillis
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gillis Christopher S, OS2(CTF76 N31C)
> [mailto:ChristopherG@CTF76.navy.mil]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:30 PM
> To: 'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
>
>
> Seems there is allot of dislike of the U.S. Navy.
>
> However speaking off the record, it is very doubtful that any kind of sub
> surface vessel could be used effectively against a US Carrier, due to
> several reasons...most of which should be common sense...and some which
will
> not be spoken.
>
> Regardless of no prop to move the vessel, if moving, it will be detected
by
> sonar, regardless of means or propulsion, just like any other object in
the
> ocean.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caribsub@coqui.net [mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
>
>
> Dubai is one of the safest place in the world to live.
> Just not forget that the vehicle mostly used by terrorist is a car, toyota
> or
> mitsubishi. The last concern of designers (car, plane , boat) and now
> submarines is to the least criminal use of their designs.
> Criminals have endless possibilities from toaster to people to plant bombs
> so i
> am not going refrain myself against innovation because of criminals.
> What is criminal is to not let ourself prepared against such attacks, i
> designed
> a submarine specially to prevent underwater attacks which has not received
> any
> interest from the all powerfull US Navy. so i did my duty and i am not
going
> to
> open a bakery instead of selling subs because somebody, someday might use
a
> sub
> to blow up something.
> however Al quaida reportedly already has acquired mini subs, which i know
> are
> not from me.
> My scubajet is a breakthrough in scuba diving, it is a low profile light
> diver
> propulsion vehicle in a ergonomic backpack including a BC with no hoses or
> consoles sticking out (HUB), you control propulsion with a bite switch in
> your
> mouth piece which
> makes it hands free. optional is a small LCD mask screen to display info,
> depth, speed, air capacity.
> There is no props, it is true that if used with a rebreather it is
difficult
> to
> detect, remember that most diver detectors are passive, listening to
noises
> under the water, but rather ineffective anyways in a port because of heavy
> activity generating noises, active sonars to detect divers are also rather
> ineffective is such shallow water.
> Best regards
> Herve
>
>
> Mensaje citado por Akins <lakins1@tampabay.rr.com>:
>
> > Hmmm. I wonder how long it will take before some terrorist figures out
> that
> > they could use one of these non propeller, non moving parts rocket
> propelled
> > subs to counter the overwhelming superiority of the U.S. navy.
> >
> > With no prop and stealthy, the U.S. sub detectors might have a hard time
> > picking them up. Being built in Dubai it is pretty close to middle east
> > hotspots. Remember...the italians used similiar tactics with their two
man
> > submarines in WW2 against the overwhelming
> >
> > superiority of the British navy with modest sucesses. Think about it.
One
> of
> > these subs with a high explosive charge could sink a U.S. aircraft
> carrier.
> > If U.S. intelligence is smart (and they frequently are not) they would
> > monitor who buys these subs in that part of the
> >
> > troubled world..
> >
> > I guess time will tell.
> >
> > Kindest Regards,
> > Bill Akins.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: caribsub@coqui.net
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:22 AM
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Seahorse news
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone
> > links of news releases on the Seahorse Submarines moving to Dubai,
UAE.
> >
> > http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/BusinessNF.asp?ArticleID=152124
> >
> > http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/53898.html
> >
> > http://82.195.132.90/news/?ID=258
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