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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
> (warning, living in puerto rico can easily and quickly drive you
> completely insane....)
We thought you were insane before you moved to PR : ))
My question would be; if you were considering a serious move
from your homeland, Australia, would Puerto Rico be one of or
'the' choice[s]?
BTW, how about the Land of Oz? Affordable for living, setting up
a shop, and building a sub?
--Steve
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:16:17 -0400 Erik Muller <emuller@naic.edu> writes:
> Try puerto rico too,
> They obsess about cars, have nothing better to spend their money on,
> its
> an island.
> My rent is less than $400 a month. You cant get anywhere without a
> car
> (every family has at least 2)
> Futhermore, everything always rusts, so you will ALWAYS have
> maintinence, repairs and restoration to do.
> Just the other day I saw a nice old ford puttering around....
> (warning, living in puerto rico can easily and quickly drive you
> completely insane....)
> EM.
>
>
> Steven Mills wrote:
>
> >Geez, eerie...I've done the same thing. 'Got some stuff packed
> >up ready to leave, but haven't picked the place yet. Have you
> >done a demographics of areas on the web? And have you
> >considered moving outside the States? There are a series of
> >books out covering Coastal Surveys of regions and States.
> >If you're interested I'll try to find the source. It's worth doing
> >your homework on areas before moving. I have the feeling you
> >have done so?
> >
> >Just for the heck of it do a demog on Costa Rica.
> >
> >--Steve
> >
> >On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
> ><opensourcesub@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> >
> >>That is exactly what I am trying to decide. I know it sounds a
> little
> >>crazy to have all of
> >>my belongings in boxes and still not know where I am going, but
> that
> >>is the way of it.
> >>You see, I need to find a water-side place to live with a low cost
> >>of living that is also
> >>suitable for RestoRides. Any recommendations are welcome.
> >>
> >>Warren.
> >>
> >>Steven Mills <cirtemoeg@juno.com> wrote:
> >>You're right. Mistakes made serve a role as lessons as
> >>much as successes are. Let me think about this. It's
> >>been a while since I had even thought about it. I was
> >>surprised I recalled the few details about the tent at all!
> >>Actually, one of the first 3 still has merit, it was just too
> >>small and even the 4th tent I thought was a bit tight.
> >>
> >>Movin' to Oregon?
> >>
> >>--Steve
> >>
> >>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
> >>writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>First, I wouldn't mind knowing about the other
> >>>attempts, which I assume weren't so succesfull.
> >>>(Forewarned is for-armed, you know.) I certainly will
> >>>post my progress as soon as I have something to post.
> >>>All of my belongings are boxed up right now...Which
> >>>makes projects out of the question for the time being.
> >>>
> >>>Warren.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- Steven Mills wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Good thing I didn't write about the first three
> >>>>attempts.
> >>>>
> >>>>Hopefully, you'll post your ' w.i.p.' on Restorides?
> >>>>I'd be
> >>>>interested in how it goes.
> >>>>
> >>>>--Steve
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> >>>>Greenway
> >>>>writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Yeah, I cracked a smile! Thanks for sharing that!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>think that my first "manned tent" will be similar
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>dimensions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Warren.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- Steven Mills wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Wow, we're talking a long time ago, but here
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>goes.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>First, I'm assuming that the setting and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>morphology
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>of the pond
> >>>>>>aren't significant.
> >>>>>>Suffice it to say, , the only problems I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>encountered
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>were in the
> >>>>>>construction,
> >>>>>>the materials available to me, and my own
> >>>>>>inexperience and not so
> >>>>>>much the dynamics of the pond.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>My tools were pipe benders, hacksaw, pipe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>threaders,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>and the ol'
> >>>>>>Sears craftman's tool set [ the old "good" tool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>set
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>of a time passed ].
> >>>>>>The materials were ; conduit and plumbing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>fittings,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>construction
> >>>>>>grade clear visaquene plastic, pitch for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>sealant,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>rope, string, small
> >>>>>>canvas bags used with sand and gravel for weight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>trim, and
> >>>>>>homemade pinch clamps to hold plastic to frame
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>at
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>various points
> >>>>>>to keep it in place [ without damaging or poking
> >>>>>>holes in the plastic.]
> >>>>>>Basically, the stock came from a loose
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>assortment of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>parts from
> >>>>>>my granddad's barn. The base frame was sized
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>cut from
> >>>>>>stock galvinized 1inch diam. conduit, the top
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>frame
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>was sized and
> >>>>>>cut from half inch galvinized stock. I rammed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>packed the pipe for
> >>>>>>the base with sand using rebar and pieces of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>burlap
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>wadding.
> >>>>>>The top frame was left hollow. I made four
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>tents
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the last being
> >>>>>>successful at 4feet by 6feet base at 3feet in
> >>>>>>height. 3 half round
> >>>>>>frame members with a longitudinal supporting
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>member
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>and vertical
> >>>>>>supports at each end. Despite its weight it was
> >>>>>>slightly positive
> >>>>>>bouyant. So, I added sand filled canvas bags
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>lashed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>to the bottom
> >>>>>>frame. When I needed to replenish the air or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>take it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>to surface I simply
> >>>>>>unlashed the bags and it would rise slowly with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>little help.
> >>>>>>It was crude and it did leak, but there was
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>always a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>good size pocket
> >>>>>>of air to enable me to explore a short distance
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>return for air.
> >>>>>>I would say it gave me about 20 minutes under
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>before
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>I had to surface.
> >>>>>>I could sit in it, but the plastic would fog up
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>lot, but a splash of
> >>>>>>water
> >>>>>>cleared it up. Visaquene is hygroscopic so it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>would
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>opaque and degrade
> >>>>>>out of water while being stored. It was fun
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>while it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>lasted. It was
> >>>>>>destroyed
> >>>>>>when my cousins and a few neighbor kids thought
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>would be fun
> >>>>>>playing 'depth charge' with large rocks [ and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>with
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>me in it ! ]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Well, did that help?... or at least crack a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>smile?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Shallow, tidal, and near shore dynamics is a
> >>>>>>different story compared
> >>>>>>to a pond. You've got your work cut out for you
> >>>>>>that's for sure.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>cheers, --Steve
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> >>>>>>Greenway
> >>>>>>writes:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>That is similar to the proposal by Michael
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>Savage
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>in his book Millenial Project. So, what I want
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>know
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>is this: How large was your electrical conduit
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>underwater tent? I'm still very interested in
> >>>>>>>collecting data on swell-induced pressure
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>variations
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>in such a habitat.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Warren.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--- Steven Mills wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>...and, if you feel real ambitious or want
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>add a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>split-level
> >>>>>>>>to that underwater tent, may I suggest this
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>http://fun.supereva.it/artificialisle/index.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>Or, perhaps we should all chip in and build
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>pSubs
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>headquarters
> >>>>>>>>and convention center ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>:- ) --Steve
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>Warren
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>Greenway
> >>>>>>>>writes:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Cool! Thanks! One thing about that link
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>interesting is that they are measuring
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>PAR. I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>told
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>company I was working for that underwater
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>PAR
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>measurments would become important in the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>near
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>future.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>They laughed. Hmmm. I designed a PAR
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>instrument
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>once
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>before!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Warren.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>--- Steven Mills
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>This isn't exactly a tent for habitation
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>or
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>saturation diving. But it is
> >>>>>>>>>>similar to something I built as a 14
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>year
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>old
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>kid
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>quite by accident.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>=== message truncated ===
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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