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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
Yeh, I'm pretty familiar with Baja, I lived with a Mexican family for a while in San Jose del Cabo, on the tip of Baja. Below Ensenada to Cabo is very sparsely inhabited, for good reason, it's serious desert. Mulege is really nice ! An oasis. Very cheap to live.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
> Brian,
>
> Have you been down the Baja Penn? Mulahay? Wondering how
> it would be and costs?
>
> --Steve
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
> writes:
> > I totally understand, believe me, I know ! But there is a great big
> > ocean close by! How about Tiajuana ! You could comute to San Diego !
> >
> > Brian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
> >
> >
> > > I don't mean to be negative about CA. And I love San Diego, thought
> > > about moving there at one time. I was in business in CA for nearly
> > > 25years. CA is over taxed, over-regulated, and not very friendly
> > towards
> > > small business. That's been my experience and for friends and
> > > associates.
> > > Southern Nevada is jokingly referred to as LA East or the
> > California
> > > Annex
> > > for the number of businesses who have moved here from CA.
> > >
> > > sorry about that, --Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:25:04 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
> > > writes:
> > > > Have you considered So. Cal ?
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Warren Greenway
> > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:23 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That is exactly what I am trying to decide. I know it sounds a
> > > > little
> > > > crazy to have all of
> > > > my belongings in boxes and still not know where I am going,
> > but
> > > > that
> > > > is the way of it.
> > > > You see, I need to find a water-side place to live with a low
> > cost
> > > > of
> > > > living that is also
> > > > suitable for RestoRides. Any recommendations are welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Warren.
> > > >
> > > > Steven Mills <cirtemoeg@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > You're right. Mistakes made serve a role as lessons as
> > > > much as successes are. Let me think about this. It's
> > > > been a while since I had even thought about it. I was
> > > > surprised I recalled the few details about the tent at all!
> > > > Actually, one of the first 3 still has merit, it was just too
> > > > small and even the 4th tent I thought was a bit tight.
> > > >
> > > > Movin' to Oregon?
> > > >
> > > > --Steve
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
> > > > writes:
> > > > > First, I wouldn't mind knowing about the other
> > > > > attempts, which I assume weren't so succesfull.
> > > > > (Forewarned is for-armed, you know.) I certainly will
> > > > > post my progress as soon as I have something to post.
> > > > > All of my belongings are boxed up right now...Which
> > > > > makes projects out of the question for the time being.
> > > > >
> > > > > Warren.
> > > > > >
> > > > > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > > > > Good thing I didn't write about the first three
> > > > > > attempts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hopefully, you'll post your ' w.i.p.' on Restorides?
> > > > > > I'd be
> > > > > > interested in how it goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> > > > > > Greenway
> > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > Yeah, I cracked a smile! Thanks for sharing that!
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > think that my first "manned tent" will be similar
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > dimensions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Warren.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > > > > > > Wow, we're talking a long time ago, but here
> > > > > > goes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > First, I'm assuming that the setting and
> > > > > > morphology
> > > > > > > > of the pond
> > > > > > > > aren't significant.
> > > > > > > > Suffice it to say, , the only problems I
> > > > > > encountered
> > > > > > > > were in the
> > > > > > > > construction,
> > > > > > > > the materials available to me, and my own
> > > > > > > > inexperience and not so
> > > > > > > > much the dynamics of the pond.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My tools were pipe benders, hacksaw, pipe
> > > > > > threaders,
> > > > > > > > and the ol'
> > > > > > > > Sears craftman's tool set [ the old "good" tool
> > > > > > set
> > > > > > > > of a time passed ].
> > > > > > > > The materials were ; conduit and plumbing
> > > > > > fittings,
> > > > > > > > construction
> > > > > > > > grade clear visaquene plastic, pitch for
> > > > > > sealant,
> > > > > > > > rope, string, small
> > > > > > > > canvas bags used ! with sand and gravel for weight
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > trim, and
> > > > > > > > homemade pinch clamps to hold plastic to frame
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > various points
> > > > > > > > to keep it in place [ without damaging or poking
> > > > > > > > holes in the plastic.]
> > > > > > > > Basically, the stock came from a loose
> > > > > > assortment of
> > > > > > > > parts from
> > > > > > > > my granddad's barn. The base frame was sized
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > cut from
> > > > > > > > stock galvinized 1inch diam. conduit, the top
> > > > > > frame
> > > > > > > > was sized and
> > > > > > > > cut from half inch galvinized stock. I rammed
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > packed the pipe for
> > > > > > > > the base with sand using rebar and pieces of
> > > > > > burlap
> > > > > > > > wadding.
> > > > > > > > The top frame was left hollow. I made four
> > > > > > tents
> > > > > > > > the last being
> > > > > > > > successful at 4feet by 6feet base at 3feet in
> > > > > > > > height. 3 half round
> > > > > > > > frame members with a longitudinal supporting
> > > > > > member
> > > > > > > > and vertical
> > > > > > > > supports at each end. Despite its weight it was
> > > > > > > > slightly positive
> > > > > > > > bouyant. So, I added sand filled canvas bags
> > > > > > lashed
> > > > > > > > to the bottom
> > > > > > > > frame. When I needed to replenish the air or
> > > > > > take it
> > > > > > > > to surface I simply
> > > > > > > > unlashed the bags and it would rise slowly with
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > little help.
> > > > > > > > It was crude and it did leak, but there was
> > > > > > always a
> > > > > > > > good size pocket
> > > > > > > > of air to enable me to explore a short distanc! e
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > return for air.
> > > > > > > > I would say it gave me about 20 minutes under
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > I had to surface.
> > > > > > > > I could sit in it, but the plastic would fog up
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > lot, but a splash of
> > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > cleared it up. Visaquene is hygroscopic so it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > opaque and degrade
> > > > > > > > out of water while being stored. It was fun
> > > > > > while it
> > > > > > > > lasted. It was
> > > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > when my cousins and a few neighbor kids thought
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would be fun
> > > > > > > > playing 'depth charge' with large rocks [ and
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > me in it ! ]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, did that help?... or at least crack a
> > > > > > smile?
> > > > &! gt; > > >
> > > > > > > > Shallow, tidal, and near shore dynamics is a
> > > > > > > > different story compared
> > > > > > > > to a pond. You've got your work cut out for you
> > > > > > > > that's for sure.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cheers, --Steve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Warren
> > > > > > > > Greenway
> > > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > > > That is similar to the proposal by Michael
> > > > > > Savage
> > > > > > > > > in his book Millenial Project. So, what I want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > is this: How large was your electrical conduit
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > underwater tent? I'm still very interested in
> > > > > > > > > collecting data on swell-induced pressure
> > > > > > > > variations> > > > > in such a habitat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Warren.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Steven Mills wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > ...and, if you feel real ambitious or want
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > add a
> > > > > > > > > > split-level
> > > > > > > > > > to that underwater tent, may I suggest this
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > http://fun.supereva.it/artificialisle/index.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Or, perhaps we should all chip in and build
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > pSubs
> > > > > > > > > > headquarters
> > > > > > > > > > and convention center ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > :- ) --Steve
> > > > > > > > &! gt; >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > Warren
> > > > > > > > > > Greenway
> > > > > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > > > > > Cool! Thanks! One thing about that link
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > interesting is that they are measuring
> > > > > > PAR. I
> > > > > > > > told
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > company I was working for that underwater
> > > > > > PAR
> > > > > > > > > > > measurments would become important in the
> > > > > > near
> > > > > > > > > > future.
> > > > > > > > > > > They laughed. Hmmm. I designed a PAR
> > > > > > > > instrument
> > > > > > > > > > once
> > > > > > > > > > > before!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Warren.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Steven Mills
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't exactly a tent for habitation
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > saturation diving. But it is
> > > > > > > > > > > > similar to something I built as a 14
> > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > > kid
> > > > > > > > > > > > quite by accident.
> > > > > >
> > > > > === message truncated ===
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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