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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Underwater tent...



I'd love to check out PR someday.  How expensive is it to live there?
Carl


Steven Mills wrote:
(warning, living in puerto rico can easily and quickly drive you completely insane....)


We thought you were insane before you moved to PR  : ))

My question would be; if you were considering a serious move
from your homeland, Australia, would Puerto Rico be one of or
'the' choice[s]?
BTW, how about the Land of Oz?   Affordable for living, setting up
a shop, and building a sub?

--Steve


On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:16:17 -0400 Erik Muller <emuller@naic.edu> writes:

Try puerto rico too,
They obsess about cars, have nothing better to spend their money on, its an island. My rent is less than $400 a month. You cant get anywhere without a car (every family has at least 2) Futhermore, everything always rusts, so you will ALWAYS have maintinence, repairs and restoration to do.
Just the other day I saw a nice old ford puttering around....
(warning, living in puerto rico can easily and quickly drive you completely insane....)
EM.


Steven Mills wrote:


Geez, eerie...I've done the same thing.  'Got some stuff packed
up ready to leave, but haven't picked the place yet.  Have you
done a demographics of areas on the web? And have you
considered moving outside the States?  There are a series of
books out covering Coastal Surveys of regions and States.
If you're interested I'll try to find the source.  It's worth doing
your homework on areas before moving. I have the feeling you
have done so?

Just for the heck of it do a demog on Costa Rica.

--Steve

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
<opensourcesub@yahoo.com> writes:



That is exactly what I am trying to decide. I know it sounds a

little
crazy to have all of
my belongings in boxes and still not know where I am going, but

that
is the way of it.
You see, I need to find a water-side place to live with a low cost of living that is also suitable for RestoRides. Any recommendations are welcome.

Warren.

Steven Mills <cirtemoeg@juno.com> wrote:
You're right. Mistakes made serve a role as lessons as
much as successes are. Let me think about this. It's
been a while since I had even thought about it. I was
surprised I recalled the few details about the tent at all!
Actually, one of the first 3 still has merit, it was just too
small and even the 4th tent I thought was a bit tight.

Movin' to Oregon?

--Steve

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Warren Greenway
writes:

First, I wouldn't mind knowing about the other attempts, which I assume weren't so succesfull. (Forewarned is for-armed, you know.) I certainly will
post my progress as soon as I have something to post.
All of my belongings are boxed up right now...Which
makes projects out of the question for the time being.

Warren.


--- Steven Mills wrote:

Good thing I didn't write about the first three
attempts.

Hopefully, you'll post your ' w.i.p.' on Restorides?
I'd be
interested in how it goes.

--Steve


On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Warren
Greenway
writes:

Yeah, I cracked a smile! Thanks for sharing that!

I

think that my first "manned tent" will be similar

in

dimensions.
Warren.

--- Steven Mills wrote:

Wow, we're talking a long time ago, but here

goes.

First, I'm assuming that the setting and

morphology

of the pond
aren't significant.
Suffice it to say, , the only problems I

encountered

were in the
construction,
the materials available to me, and my own
inexperience and not so
much the dynamics of the pond.

My tools were pipe benders, hacksaw, pipe

threaders,

and the ol'
Sears craftman's tool set [ the old "good" tool

set

of a time passed ].
The materials were ; conduit and plumbing

fittings,

construction
grade clear visaquene plastic, pitch for

sealant,

rope, string, small
canvas bags used with sand and gravel for weight

and

trim, and
homemade pinch clamps to hold plastic to frame

at

various points
to keep it in place [ without damaging or poking
holes in the plastic.]
Basically, the stock came from a loose

assortment of

parts from
my granddad's barn. The base frame was sized

and

cut from
stock galvinized 1inch diam. conduit, the top

frame

was sized and
cut from half inch galvinized stock. I rammed

and

packed the pipe for
the base with sand using rebar and pieces of

burlap

wadding.
The top frame was left hollow. I made four

tents

the last being
successful at 4feet by 6feet base at 3feet in
height. 3 half round
frame members with a longitudinal supporting

member

and vertical
supports at each end. Despite its weight it was
slightly positive
bouyant. So, I added sand filled canvas bags

lashed

to the bottom
frame. When I needed to replenish the air or

take it

to surface I simply
unlashed the bags and it would rise slowly with

a

little help.
It was crude and it did leak, but there was

always a

good size pocket
of air to enable me to explore a short distance

and

return for air.
I would say it gave me about 20 minutes under

before

I had to surface.
I could sit in it, but the plastic would fog up

a

lot, but a splash of
water
cleared it up. Visaquene is hygroscopic so it

would

opaque and degrade
out of water while being stored. It was fun

while it

lasted. It was
destroyed
when my cousins and a few neighbor kids thought

it

would be fun
playing 'depth charge' with large rocks [ and

with

me in it ! ]

Well, did that help?... or at least crack a

smile?

Shallow, tidal, and near shore dynamics is a
different story compared
to a pond. You've got your work cut out for you
that's for sure.

cheers, --Steve


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Warren
Greenway
writes:

That is similar to the proposal by Michael

Savage

in his book Millenial Project. So, what I want

to

know

is this: How large was your electrical conduit
underwater tent? I'm still very interested in collecting data on swell-induced pressure

variations

in such a habitat.

Warren.

--- Steven Mills wrote:

...and, if you feel real ambitious or want

to

add a

split-level
to that underwater tent, may I suggest this

:


http://fun.supereva.it/artificialisle/index.html

Or, perhaps we should all chip in and build

a

pSubs

headquarters
and convention center ?

:- ) --Steve


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT)

Warren

Greenway
writes:

Cool! Thanks! One thing about that link

that

is

interesting is that they are measuring

PAR. I

told

the

company I was working for that underwater

PAR

measurments would become important in the

near

future.

They laughed. Hmmm. I designed a PAR

instrument

once

before!
Warren.

--- Steven Mills

wrote:

This isn't exactly a tent for habitation

or

saturation diving. But it is
similar to something I built as a 14

year

old

kid

quite by accident.

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