Carl,
Erik told me to "shut the hell up". Dave (who recently accused Psubs of being a Rip Off) told me I didn't have the right to question this group, and called me a bitch. And (I've found his name in other posts) Stan Freihoff made a comment so sexually perverted I won't even bother to repeat it here. And you say I am disrespectful? You must be crazy.
I committed the mortal sin of questioning the almighty Psubs. Now you guys are looking to crucify me as part of a bonding ritual! Nothing I can say will change your minds, so go ahead boys. Close your eyes to the truth about yourselves. Don't stop to think of how you look to outsiders, you won't like what you see. Turn everything I say against me. Take everything in the worst possible light. Revel in the "brotherhood" as you take cheap shots at the lone girl who came here seeking information, and was totally unaware of what was lurking below the surface of this "group". THIS is what Psubs is all about. And Carl, that's what's really nauseating around here.
So come on, all you big tough guys. Here's your chance to gang up on someone and drive them out of your precious little group. I know you need to do that, so you can go back to feeling secure and unchallenged here. But it won't be the first time, will it? And it won't be the last
Just for the record, Ray: a few of those experienced Psubbers didn't leave PSUBS over ego clashes, as you say they did. They told me they left because your group is what it is. And after what I've seen here, I fully understand what they mean.
Best,
Gail
Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com> wrote:
Ray, is there a solution to this situation? I am very supportive of new
people coming here to learn, but my "tolerance" grows thin when my
friends are attacked for what I feel are reasonable actions on their behalf.
Whether this Gail person is male or female is irrelavant. Being new to
a group and showing such disrespect is nauseating.
Carl
Gail Paleka wrote:
> Psubbers,
>
> Thank you for your replies to my post; you've taught me more about your
> true nature than I could have learned in any other way.
>
> Peter said:
>
> "It is this group's tolerance and openness that I find so rewarding."
>
> Tolerance, Peter? Please consider these replies I've received:
>
> Eric Muller wrote:
>
> "You are a fool and narrowminded one at that. Please, for the sake
of
> mine and other peoples opinion of you, shut the hell up or change
> topics.
> EM."
>
> Dave Cutajar wrote:
>
> "I don't know you, or anything about you, BUT who are
> you to: (snip) Put the group down.
>
> (snip)
>
> I have been contacted outside the group by several
> talented, experienced people who have built subs
> .....and recently, one pretentious bitch.
>
> Don't waste the groups time by responding on-list -
> Feel free to call me anytime...
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> David Cutajar
> DJC Engineering
> (586)484-3232"
>
> And, in a message entitled " Welcome to Psubs", SFreihof said:
>
> "There's nothing quite as refreshing as kindly welcoming a newcomer who
> then promptly farts and then brags about the stink they made. What a
> shallow minded hoot you are!
>
> You are a
pompous and self-aggrandizing egotist whose entire
> constructive contribution consists of effusive ordure.
>
> Osculate my orifice when you exit."
>
> Tolerance, Peter? What tolerance?
>
> I'm sure you'll be happy here, Peter. Just keep "yucking it up" with
> the boys; talking about girls and beers. Always tell them they are
> right; that's what they want to hear. Don't ever tell them they are
> wrong; they can't handle it. And if you encorporate some faulty
> information into your submarine, and someone gets killed, well...above
> all else, don't complain. You won't be popular with the group any more
> if you do.
>
> Best,
>
> Gail
>
>
>
>
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