Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape & rescue

[Warren Greenway <opensourcesub@yahoo.com>]

I'll talk to him about it. The next one is going to be
in Portland, right? If so, he might just go for it.
Right now he lives on Kodiak Island, but he visits the
Northwest periodically.

Warren.

--- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> Hey Warren,
> 
> Can we get your uncle to speak at the next
> convention?
> Some colorful insights into the working of the Coast
> Guard
> might be enlightening.
> 
> Regards,
> Ray
> 
> Warren Greenway wrote:
> > 
> > Hey Ray, my uncle just retired from the Coast
> Guard
> > after nearly thirty years of service. His stories
> tell
> > me that the Coast Guard is happy to use a disaster
> > situation (sinking PSUB, for example) as a more
> > colorful training scenario. I'm sure they wouldn't
> > have
> > a problem making the rescue. However, how does one
> go
> > about sending a distress call when under 300' of
> > water?
> > 
> > Warren.
> > 
> > --- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> > > Hi Doug,
> > >
> > > From time to time I have thought about who is
> going
> > > to rescue a PSUBer.
> > > I doubt the Navy would dispach a DSRV to rescue
> one
> > > of us and personally I think the Coast Guard
> would
> > > rather haul up a sub with bodies. That way they
> can
> > > tell the populace, see these things are
> dangerous,
> > > they need to be banned, regulated, or whatever.
> If
> > > the Coast Guard recued a PSUBer then the
> publicity
> > > might encourage more PSUBers.
> > >
> > > Of course we could just tell the Coast Guard
> that
> > > the sub that went down was a drug sub, or Al
> Quida
> > > (SP?) leader, with lots of intel, is alive down
> > > there. To that the Coast Guard might respond
> > > promptly.
> > >
> > > Question will then be, do they have the skills
> and
> > > equipment to go deep enough to get that PSUB up?
> A
> > > hundred surface ships floating around will be
> > > useless unless they can get down to the PSUB to
> > > help.
> > >
> > > The conclusion I have come up with is PSUBers
> must
> > > rescue themselves or each other. How heavy is a
> > > K-350? Can I say air transportable? A buddy goes
> > > down, unable to get back up, his surface contact
> > > with the dive plan calls for help, the rest of
> us
> > > moblize and fly and boat to the scene with a few
> > > K-boats.
> > >
> > > We are a long ways from that level of
> > > interdependance and cooperation but as
> > > more and more subs come on line the possiblity
> of
> > > being a mere hours from help may one day be
> > > realized.
> > >
> > > As a related topic. What kind tools can we
> attached
> > > to a PSUB to go recue some one with? An arm?
> Some
> > > kind of cutting tool, like bolt cutters or
> torch?
> > > Lift bags that can be snapped onto the stricken
> PSUB
> > > then inflated?
> > >
> > > Could the recue boat be the two propulsor type,
> like
> > > a K-boat, or would you really need three axises
> of
> > > motion.
> > >
> > > How do you keep the rescue PSUB from getting
> trapped
> > > or caught like the first one?
> > >
> > > The stricken boat. What kind of equipment should
> be
> > > manditory? Marker bouy?
> > > Underwater comms? Sonic and visible beacons?
> > >
> > > Certainly drop weights, ballast blow, flood and
> > > emergency ascent, minimum of 72 hours life
> support
> > > are the mere minimum requirements.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SeaLordOne@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Shipmates,
> > > >
> > > > I would like your views on escape and rescue.
> > > >
> > > > As to the original "caught in a net" problem,
> I
> > > have the impression that the average psub would
> lack
> > > the power or bouyancy to escape a large net. 
> These
> > > new mega nets, do they call them drift nets?,
> are
> > > many miles long and many tons heavy.  About 10
> years
> > > ago I read of a section of net three miles long
> that
> > > had broken off and was killing porposes off the
> US
> > > coastline. I don't see how anything short of
> > > Carsten's U-Boat could survive an encounter with
> > > that much net.  Does anyone know any more about
> > > these mega nets?  Are there still large sections
> > > floating loose out there?
> > > >
> > > > Then comes rescue.  Who is going to come to
> our
> > > rescue?  I get the impression from reading the
> paper
> > > that the U.S. Coast Guard has been largly
> > > re-purposed for homeland security, and that
> private
> > > boat towing firms are the closest thing to a
> "rescue
> > > operation" most boats see these days.  Do you
> still
> > > think the Coast Guard would/could help us?
> > > >
> > > > Doug Farrow
> > 
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