Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] escape & rescue

[Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM>]

Hi Warren,

Portland. Possibly Seattle,

Regards,
Ray

Warren Greenway wrote:
> 
> I'll talk to him about it. The next one is going to be
> in Portland, right? If so, he might just go for it.
> Right now he lives on Kodiak Island, but he visits the
> Northwest periodically.
> 
> Warren.
> 
> --- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> > Hey Warren,
> >
> > Can we get your uncle to speak at the next
> > convention?
> > Some colorful insights into the working of the Coast
> > Guard
> > might be enlightening.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray
> >
> > Warren Greenway wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Ray, my uncle just retired from the Coast
> > Guard
> > > after nearly thirty years of service. His stories
> > tell
> > > me that the Coast Guard is happy to use a disaster
> > > situation (sinking PSUB, for example) as a more
> > > colorful training scenario. I'm sure they wouldn't
> > > have
> > > a problem making the rescue. However, how does one
> > go
> > > about sending a distress call when under 300' of
> > > water?
> > >
> > > Warren.
> > >
> > > --- Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:
> > > > Hi Doug,
> > > >
> > > > From time to time I have thought about who is
> > going
> > > > to rescue a PSUBer.
> > > > I doubt the Navy would dispach a DSRV to rescue
> > one
> > > > of us and personally I think the Coast Guard
> > would
> > > > rather haul up a sub with bodies. That way they
> > can
> > > > tell the populace, see these things are
> > dangerous,
> > > > they need to be banned, regulated, or whatever.
> > If
> > > > the Coast Guard recued a PSUBer then the
> > publicity
> > > > might encourage more PSUBers.
> > > >
> > > > Of course we could just tell the Coast Guard
> > that
> > > > the sub that went down was a drug sub, or Al
> > Quida
> > > > (SP?) leader, with lots of intel, is alive down
> > > > there. To that the Coast Guard might respond
> > > > promptly.
> > > >
> > > > Question will then be, do they have the skills
> > and
> > > > equipment to go deep enough to get that PSUB up?
> > A
> > > > hundred surface ships floating around will be
> > > > useless unless they can get down to the PSUB to
> > > > help.
> > > >
> > > > The conclusion I have come up with is PSUBers
> > must
> > > > rescue themselves or each other. How heavy is a
> > > > K-350? Can I say air transportable? A buddy goes
> > > > down, unable to get back up, his surface contact
> > > > with the dive plan calls for help, the rest of
> > us
> > > > moblize and fly and boat to the scene with a few
> > > > K-boats.
> > > >
> > > > We are a long ways from that level of
> > > > interdependance and cooperation but as
> > > > more and more subs come on line the possiblity
> > of
> > > > being a mere hours from help may one day be
> > > > realized.
> > > >
> > > > As a related topic. What kind tools can we
> > attached
> > > > to a PSUB to go recue some one with? An arm?
> > Some
> > > > kind of cutting tool, like bolt cutters or
> > torch?
> > > > Lift bags that can be snapped onto the stricken
> > PSUB
> > > > then inflated?
> > > >
> > > > Could the recue boat be the two propulsor type,
> > like
> > > > a K-boat, or would you really need three axises
> > of
> > > > motion.
> > > >
> > > > How do you keep the rescue PSUB from getting
> > trapped
> > > > or caught like the first one?
> > > >
> > > > The stricken boat. What kind of equipment should
> > be
> > > > manditory? Marker bouy?
> > > > Underwater comms? Sonic and visible beacons?
> > > >
> > > > Certainly drop weights, ballast blow, flood and
> > > > emergency ascent, minimum of 72 hours life
> > support
> > > > are the mere minimum requirements.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SeaLordOne@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Shipmates,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like your views on escape and rescue.
> > > > >
> > > > > As to the original "caught in a net" problem,
> > I
> > > > have the impression that the average psub would
> > lack
> > > > the power or bouyancy to escape a large net.
> > These
> > > > new mega nets, do they call them drift nets?,
> > are
> > > > many miles long and many tons heavy.  About 10
> > years
> > > > ago I read of a section of net three miles long
> > that
> > > > had broken off and was killing porposes off the
> > US
> > > > coastline. I don't see how anything short of
> > > > Carsten's U-Boat could survive an encounter with
> > > > that much net.  Does anyone know any more about
> > > > these mega nets?  Are there still large sections
> > > > floating loose out there?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then comes rescue.  Who is going to come to
> > our
> > > > rescue?  I get the impression from reading the
> > paper
> > > > that the U.S. Coast Guard has been largly
> > > > re-purposed for homeland security, and that
> > private
> > > > boat towing firms are the closest thing to a
> > "rescue
> > > > operation" most boats see these days.  Do you
> > still
> > > > think the Coast Guard would/could help us?
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Farrow
> > >
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