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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
I think Dale told me that Snoopy only cost him $10,000 to build. And that
is in Canadian Dollars!!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan H." <JMachine@adelphia.net>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
> A one place K-350 may be about 3500 pounds (sorry but I don't have a
> conversions here at this time) but the two place with it's added 24 inched
> hull length displaces 4400 pounds.
>
> The towing capacity of a 3/4 ton pickup truck may be 10,000 pounds but
it's
> not that easy. At towing it's maximum capacity, a truck isn't that stable
> on the highway. Believe me. In my neighborhood, I'm known as the "Over
> Load King."
>
> I unloaded the steel and running gear for my K-350 trailer a few days ago.
> My trailer will have a 7000 pound capacity including it's own weight. The
> sub will weigh 4400. The trailer will weigh 1000 pounds leaving 1600
pounds
> excess capacity for extras with a little margin. The materials for it
total
> up to just under $2000 US. That's everything including lights and tires.
>
> Sitting in the seat of a K-350 isn't really all that tight! I would say
it
> would be nice to have an extra six inches of hull diameter max.
Considering
> the cost of every inch, that's as far as I'd go with making it larger. At
> most, I'd start with a K-350 hull and scale the whole thing up by 1.17
>
> Maybe it's time to get a better idea of what is the real upper end cost
to
> a sub that will likely get built. That's what held me back for the last
> fifteen years pondering the project. I've never been involved in a
project
> yet that it didn't all boil down the bottom line. TOTAL COST
>
> I agree with Ian, to much to do and to inconvenient launching the sub
would
> mean it wouldn't get launched as much. One thought about the removable
drop
> weights is towing would be improved if the weight could be loaded in the
> truck rather then stay on the trailer. In my opinion they would have to
be
> on the sub at launch though. What's the sense of subbing if you have to
go
> skin diving first?
>
> Dan H. The conservative ;-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Roxborough" <irox@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
>
>
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:58:57 +0800
> > "Warrend Greenway" <dub@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow! I thought getting it in a 6000lb window would be tough! 4000lbs?
I
> think
> > > we would have to go to a one man or "couple" sub. If we get down to
that
> size.
> > > Any full size Dodge pickup with a v8 or diesel will tow 10,000 without
> problems.
> > > I thought our European friends would be the limiting factor!
> >
> > I think reality is the limiting factor, maybe it's because we
> > haven't discussed the reason behind designing this submarine.
> > But the larger the sub is the less chance somebody who has never
> > built a sub will have of completing. The K-350 weighs in at
> > 3500lb and from what I've heard, still isn't the easy project
> > to finish.
> >
> > I did like the idea of taking the drop weights off and transporting
> > them seperately. You can always take the drop weights to the launch
> > site first, then get the submarine. Or better still get somebody else
> > to transport the drop weights.
> >
> > This does add another step when taking the submarine for a dive.
> > Also you might have to fit the drop weights after you launch the
> > sub and remove them before you take it out of the water, mainly
> > because the vehicle used to tow the sub out of the water will
> > have a lot of work to do on the launch ramp. Getting wet every
> > time you want to take the sub out might not be much fun.
> >
> > They are other solutions to launching and removing the sub,
> > such as giving it powered wheels so it can drive out
> > on it's own, or maybe a electric power trailer with it's
> > own ballast tank, you could sink it under the sub and
> > then fill the trailers balast tanks with air, then use
> > electric motors to let the trailer drive the sub out
> > of the water... but these ideas require more engineering....
> >
> > The having a one person version of the OSS that is around
> > 4000lb and a two person that is around 6000lb seems like
> > a better idea.
> >
> > Ian.
> >
> >
> > > > Ok, I did some research on my 5000 pound (2270Kg) limit.
> > > >
> > > > My Oregon Class C license allows:
> > > >
> > > > You may tow a single vehicle, including a trailer or travel trailer,
> > > > that has a loaded weight of 10,000 pounds (4540Kg) or less or a
> > > > GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating) of 10,000 pounds (4540Kg) or
> > > > less. You also may tow a trailer over 10,000 pounds (4540Kg) if
> > > > the combined weight of the towing vehicle and trailer is not
> > > > more then 26,000 pounds (11804Kg).
> > > >
> > > > My tow vehicle with is a 2000 Honda Passport:
> > > >
> > > > 4,500-pound (2043Kg) towing capacity
> > > > 4,124-pound (1872Kg) vehicle weight
> > > >
> > > > For what it is worth I would now reduce my 5000 pound (2270Kg) guess
> to
> > >
> > > > 4000 pounds (1816Kg) limit to give me a 500 pound (227Kg) towing
> safety
> > > > factor.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:29:08 -0800 (PST)
> > > > > From: Ray Keefer <prize@bachelor>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
> > > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: jbarlow@bjservices.ca
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
> > > > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:00:13 -0700
> > > > > > X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on
> LNCANGW1/BJSCAN/BJSERVICES(Release
> > > > 5.0.11
> > > > > |July 24, 2002) at 2003-01-15 12:01:34 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe the batteries would be a seperate load to keep the weight
> down
> > > > > > and add batteries at launch site. Safety drop weight as well??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you will be assembling a bunch of heavy parts dock side to
end
> up
> > > > > with one sub that was so heavy you couldn't manage in the first
> place.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also imagine dropping off your hull as you go home to get your
> battery
> > > > > pods. All those kids and curiousity seekers crawling through your
> hull
> > > > > and taking home souvenirs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The sub is going to have to be a single unit. I would prefer under
> 5000
> > > > > pounds.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Ray
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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