Re: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] H2O2 combustion chamber

[rjune@fuse.net]

Herve,

You mention that,
"peroxyde was a direct cause of multiple deaths in subs"
I did a quick web serch for this subject and found nothing.
Can you point me to some accident reports / news reports about
h2o2 related stories.

p.s. I'm not implying that there are not any accidents
     just that i couldn't find any info about them.

Roger
> 
> From: "Herve" <caribsub@coqui.net>
> Date: 2002/07/15 Mon PM 03:46:06 EDT
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] H2O2 combustion chamber
> 
> Pete, sorry , i did not mean to insult you, but to me peroxyde is rocket
> making, not subs you are dealing basically with an explosive and a very
> corrosive material.
> peroxyde was a direct cause of multiple deaths in subs.
> so i dont understand why the trouble when the futur in mini subs is
> somewhere else.
> murphy' law : if something bad can happen it will!!
> Right now the most advanced studies by navies in mini subs propulsion are on
> how to produce  or store O2  in large amount in a mini sub so it can feed
> fuel cells.
> it is safe, very powerfull , expensive though but probalbly the next step in
> mini subs not powered by a nuclear reactor.
> peroxyde should be limited to unmanned vehicles like torpedoes which have
> severe power choice requirements anyways
> Herve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete suds" <subs_n_suds@hotmail.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] H2O2 combustion chamber
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the support guys. Just a few things:
> > I am not inventing a new concept, this technology actually goes back to
> the
> > early 1940s, and has been used by NASA and amateurs since then. The list
> is
> > too numerous to include here.
> >
> > Of all the reaction chambers using the DeLaval nozzle, this is by far the
> > safest. Believe me, I have been researching new propulsion devices for
> many
> > years and this is one of the better concepts.
> > There is far too much information to include in a message. I will develop
> a
> > white paper to include calcs, stoichiometry, theory, flow diagrams, etc.
> > I will provide pictures of my nozzle.
> >
> > Lessons learned based on other failures will be incorporated in the
> design.
> >
> > I built an underwater DPV (20 years ago), and have designed many devises,
> > both professionally and personally. I always over design for safety. I
> > always test designs when high pressures or temperatures are involved.
> >
> > I welcome comments, both good and bad. If you feel something is unsafe,
> > PLEASE let me know, just don't insult me. Thanks again for the input.
> > Suds
> >
> >
> > >From: "Eliezer Rodriguez" <eliezer_rodriguez@hotmail.com>
> > >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] H2O2 combustion chamber
> > >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:20:33 +0000
> > >
> > >Hey guys,
> > >
> > >I wonder where what would happen if Benjamin Franklin didn't made his
> kite
> > >and key experiment on a thunderstorm because it sounded dangerous. True,
> > >you could easily get killed but, remmember that if he wouldn't
> electricity
> > >wouldn't be around and neither batteries nor subs.
> > >
> > >Obviously nobody wants to get killed, but if stop trying new ways to do
> > >things because of fear then your life will be boring as hell. Research
> and
> > >then test your ideas with caution maybe you will be in history books in a
> > >couple decades, who knows.
> > >
> > >
> > >Eliezer Rodriguez
> > >"The only thing in life to fear is fear itself."
> > >
> > >
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Roger June
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