AAAhhhhhhh....now i am 100% in comprehension, curse email for not being able to instantaneously transmit hand drawn images for the purposes of explaining completely. Thank joe and all for sorting me out! maybe the beer-holding hand could be employed also to cook the bbq?, i mean, while youre out in the sun with a beer, hey, why not. Maybe the welding torch could serve as an excellent mini-bbq. E.M.