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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication



All right Jim, you got me curious. A shaft with no seal?


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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Fulton
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:12 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication

Well, I think you’ve got a few bits of advice and that is good for cementing your thinking.  Its Hard if you have no one to discuss a design with.  Good luck sounds as though you are progressing well.  Hugh

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of kocpnt tds.net
Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:37 a.m.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication

 

Hi Hugh,

 

Except for two (the exterior bellcrank on the skids to rotatr the front thrusters) all the rest have a block V seal at the outer face of the bore. The one without a seal has a stainless shaft thru the center.

 

Sorry no drawings, it was pretty much design as we go! mI know that's kind of old school, but it is what it is!!!

 

Best Regards,

 

Jim K 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Hugh Fulton <hc.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim, If you are able then I would have a look at getting a seal of some sort to stop water getting into the bearing area and/or filling it up with a waterpump grease.  Some greases are better in water than others. You are a corrosion man from recollection so you are probably the best judge.  Do you have drawings?   Hugh

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of kocpnt tds.net
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:06 p.m.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication

 

Hi Hugh,

 

I appreciate the comments. With the exception of two shafts which are 1 1/4 in diameter, the rest ate 1 inch in diameter. Clearance was originally about 3 thousandths of an inch, however after welding and reaming I am sure it's a bit more.

 

This is my own design for the most part, taking what I felt were the best of several designs and applying it to my plans.

 

These parts and weldments are already built, welded to the hull and painted, so unless there is a compeling reason I will have to deal with them as they are.

 

I am thinking of Greg's liquid based parafin oil. Do you feel this would be better at controlling corrosion in these bores? 

 

Most are designed to be easy to dissasemble for maintenance.

 

Best Regards,

 

Jim K

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Hugh Fulton <hc.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Well if you have good clearance and you had the bell crank galvanized then you wont have any problems but it would be nice to see a cross section drawing of what you are proposing.  Are you following Kittredge drawings or is this a Jim version.  Hard to pass a comment without understanding the situation but you don’t want them to rust together and find you cant turn them when you need them.  You can get away with a lot with good maintenance but maybe Vance can say what works best in that situation.  Chs, Hugh

 

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of kocpnt tds.net
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 12:39 p.m.

Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication

 

Hi Hugh,

 

These are not rotating shafts. They are rotating bel cranks which actuate drop weight latches, front and rear thruster orientation and soft ballast valves. Most only turn a 40 - 160 degrees.

 

Thank you for any input.

 

Best Regards,

 

Jim K 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Hugh Fulton <hc.fulton@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Jim,

I would be very careful about steel to steel.  What is the application? What speed are the shafts doing?

If you do go steel on steel then you need to have different hardness and very good grease lubrication. Slow rotation is not so bad but if you can use bronze, Aluminium, white-metal or plastic sleeves then go for it. Stainless on bronze no problem, Chs, Hugh

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of kocpnt tds.net
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 8:45 a.m.


To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lubrication

 

Hi All,

 

I've not seen this before and am hoping for some expereinced people to help.

 

I am doing final assembly of some rotating shafts. Some are carbon steel inside of carbon steel and some are Stainless shaft inside of bronze bushings.

 

I am not sure if never- seize or a good quality urea grease are better or possibly something that I have not thought of!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Jim K

 

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