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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] mounting acrylic dome in fibreglass



Hi Frank,
I was originally looking at fibreglass and flagged it away as a bad idea, as its more dodgy and harder to nail down the actual strength  of what you are building . You also need to go thicker to get the same strength wich means more displacement and hence the sub has to be made heavier to sink. Metal is inherently heavy but with fiberglass you have to buy a lot of lead to sink it.
I started this project with the radical thought of "why can't you build a sub that fits in the back of a stationwagon" (look at newt suits). My original steel sub design required a 650mm sphere wich I couldn't get made in Australasia and decided Europe and US was outside my budget. I then looked at doing a fiberglass ambient sub.
After investigating this with psub help, was a bit disapointed with this option. Jon posted a link to a plastic 1 atmosphere sub wich got me thinking, and after running my ambient design through  a pressure programme found I wouldn't need to go much above an inch thick at the most critical points to get a 2000 ft crush depth.
I'm designing my sub out of a block of polystirene that I've sliced horizontally and hollowed out. When I get it right I'll push a lots of pins through from the inside, sand back to the pin level, fiberglass over the top and disolve out the polystirene, then add reinforcements etc. I'm also planning on inflatable ballasts so I'm not dragging round a couple of hundred kilos of water. My design process has been hands on, sitting in the poly block, trying the dome on, building jigs for seating angles, making cardboard batteries and so on, so I haven't got anything to show re designs. I look forward to the point when I've got pictures of the hull to post.
The epoxy suits my design process and should be simpler than using metal. However if I was doing something bigger fibreglass wouldn't be worth while.
Regards Alan
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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:58 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] mounting acrylic dome in fibreglass

Hi Alan. Epoxy/fiberglass is a material that a few guys have used, and it sounds like a good approach. I'd love to see any sketches or designs you have. Although most of the subs are built of steel, the advances in material science are making the epoxy resin system look very promising. Keep us informed on your research into this method, and best of luck with the project. Frank D.