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I can live with that. Your resident pipe dreamer  ;)' Cheers, Where's From: jonw@psubs.org To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stopping Flaps Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:49:57 -0400 Brent, 
When Jay 
responded to your suggestion to another member, that he could install 
speed brakes, Jay gave plenty of good reason to back up his statement that 
speed brakes were a bad idea.  Sometime later, Ray Keefer provided quotes 
from a book about the history of the Albacore that backed up Jay's 
statements.  So ample evidence has been provided that clearly demonstrates 
speed brakes submarines can be dangerous.  Whether they would work on 
small subs, I have no clue.  One of the things we talked about at the 
convention this year, is that people who push innovative designs and ideas need 
to first, expect that their idea is going to be scrutinized, and second, 
that the person proposing such innovation has the burden to prove what they are 
proposing actually works.  You could be right about stopping flaps, you 
could be wrong about them.  When you make statements including "this could 
work", or "this should work" without anything to backup your claims except your 
own opinion, expect them to be challenged.  In other words 
"just saying something is a good idea with no reason and/or very 
limited reason doesn't make for good open flowing 
discussion". 
Being a 
"possibility thinker" is great, but when their thoughts are not 
practical the "possibility thinker" is more commonly known as a "pipe 
dreamer". 
Jon 
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