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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Compression Time Tables for Wet Exit



Hugh,

It was hard for me to reconcile at first also.  It is a density issue the air being buoyant wants to rush out and it sucks you out with it and it entrains water with it.  I once cracked (fortunately didn’t open it fully) a hatch on a sunken sub at 135 fsw.  The ensuing gas escape caused a strong suctional force upward and resulted in a boil 30 feet in diameter and a foot high at the surface…pushed the surface support boat back to the limits of its mooring.

 

The Brits went back to the Med and tested a later version of their escape apparatus/exposure suit and broke their record by a short distance.  The US Submarine Service has now adopted the British-style escape apparatus (I believe the Mk-10) and retired the Steinke Hood which I have previous used in practice as part of submarine training.  It is a rapid express train ride to the surface!

 

In my presentation was a table and graph that should for various depths how long you have to get out of the sub and start for the surface.  The deeper the water, the shorter the time period.  You can’t realize how debilitating the temperature of the water can be.  Reading accounts of previous escapes and talking with one of the survivors from the USS Squalus really sinks home that you want to make your escape efforts as soon as possible if a better solution is not available.

 

Something to keep in mind that when we speak of hoods and escape apparatus from subs, this gear is all made for large subs with dedicated escape chambers that facilitate using this escape gear.  We don’t have that option in most PSUBS.

R/Jay

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Fulton
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 9:53 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Compression Time Tables for Wet Exit

 

Hi Jay,

Obviously agree with you on flooding etc and getting out but cant reconcile with being blown out if the sub was full of compressed air.  Just from a theoretical point of view:- As it would be at same pressure as outside it would similar to opening the hatch at 2 ft below the surface with just a huge inrush of water and the problem as I see it would be the same as trying to exit a toilet bowl while flushed!!  ( We Downunder always revert to toilet humour)   However I do remember seeing an escape hood which has been successfully used from about 600 ft I believe was the figure claimed.  However being a diver myself and having been down to 185 ft with Scuba it’s a hell of a long way up without fins.  I would be interested in how the hood actually functions.  I understand it has a small pony bottle but don’t know what capacity.

 

I think that flooding through a valve would give time to equalize your ears and provided you had your head close to the top the air would be compressed by the flooding of the water to the point where you would need to submerge your head and start with the breathing apparatus.  We should work out what the time frames should be as if the size of valve is stipulated then it could be worked out.  The hood idea is the best as expelled air can be rebreathed and a constant flow of replenishing would give buoyancy to the hood etc etc.

Interesting but scary.  http://www.silvercrestsubmarines.co.uk/news.html  is the link to see the escape suits.

Just hope we never get into that circumstance.

 

Regards  Hugh