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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS in BoatU.S.



If I might suggest one more consideration... Should you lose one of your stern thrusters, and your side thrusters are in the air when surfaced, you can only go in circles. Submerged side thrusters are your Plan B to get home. But I don't think those thrusters will be in the air.
 
Twenty inches is a LOT of freeboard for a sub this size. To give you an idea, my K-250 only gets about 8-12 inches. But in addition consider this. The K-250 is only lifting a narrow tower above the water until the main cylinder reaches the surface. At that point, every inch of additional freeboard implies enormous lift. That's why subs of the tower-on-cylinder configuration only lift the height of their coning tower plus a few inches. If you see more than that above water, it tends to be free-flooding space, not the pressure hull itself. Your design on the other hand begins to lift the pressure hull almost immediately because there isn't any tower. So I'd expect the freeboard to be relatively small. Of course, ultimately it depends what size the MBTs are, and I don't know.
 
Please don't take any of this as criticism, because it simply depends what you want the sub to do. Cousteau's diving saucers, for instance, had almost no freeboard and no plan B method of getting home. But that was fine, because they weren't intended for surface transits and were dropped right on the dive spot by crane.
 
 
thanks,

Alec
 



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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PSUBS in BoatU.S.

Hi Alec. The "deck" on the front fairing is 20 inches below the top where the hatch tube connects to the dome, or 3 inches higher than center. I don't really know where the water line will be while surfaced, but it calculates to about that point. Yes, that will put the side motors half out of water, while the main motors with rudders will remain submerged. I had the mounts lower, but I just didn't like the look of it. I want the dive planes and fairing crease to all line up. I'll have to try it out and see how the position affects performance. Most traveling will be powered by  the rear motors/rudders, while the side motors are mostly for maneuvering while stationary. The rear motors will have three batteries  each, and the side motors will share a bank of three.
  Only one side motor at a time will be running, unless I need a quick burst of power ( all 4 motors running wide open ) or if I'm trying to spin on the axis ( One powering forward, the other powering reverse with no power from the rear motors.)
In the vertical position, the motors can pull the sub down ( reverse thrust ) or push the sub up ( forward thrust.)
The dive planes will work to dive the sub or raise it when some forward speed is attained without running the side motors at all.
It'll be interesting to see just how fast this thing will go. I'm thinking some where around 4 or 5 knots maybe.
Lots of trial and error, and some just plain guess work.
  I won't really know till I try it out. Never drove a sub before ! One thing's for sure, I'm gonna find out.
Frank D.




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