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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Decision Time.



Hi Doug/Carsten/Frank.
 
Thanks for the advice.  I'll respond to the comments below, in this different font.
 
> Could you put a view port in the bottom hatch and put the hatch forward to increase downward viability?
 
A viewport is no problem but i thought it might be a bit vunerable underneath.  I cant shift the proposed hatch forward, it will only just fit where i have drawn it, and that still involves modifying the battery pods.   Im not too keen on this idea because of the extra work, and im not sure how much extra weight it will add, my endcaps are already thicker than they need to be.
 
> first calculate how many pressue-air you need to blow the boat
> inside dry to ambient on max.deep - and than go for the window solution. :-0
Yes!  i know its only possible to blow the sub to ambient at shallow depth.  But i thought that even partial pressurisation with whatever air you have would then allow the need for only partial flooding of the hull.   Basically a trapped compressed air bubble.  You could then open the front port in relative comfort and swim out.  Am i right?
 
> I drive Nemo sometimes. And feel very weel with this simple,
> cheap and easy maintance dome exit solution.
Yes, i like this idea as well.

> Make sure that the flood vales have a large diameter and that a pipe
> goes from the flood vale to the bilge
 
The plans do show a large diameter pipe that points downwards, but im not sure it goes right into the bilge.
 
> If escape is what's required, the bottom hatch won't help, because you are likely on the bottom anyway,
 
Well, the change would also involve modifying the battery pods so there should be enough clearance for an exit.  But i know what you mean, it would be tight.
 
> If you open the front dome or the top hatch, you have to flood the sub to open anything anyway. It won't open with pressure on the outside.
 
The idea is still to flood the sub.  But, with an increase in internal pressue.   Basically increasing the size of that compressed air bubble in the tower to a large bubble that means your still half out of the water.  As long as the pressures are equal, you should be able to get that front port open.   If the compressed air bubble is large enough and goes onto the port itself, then of course water would come in when you opened it, up to the top of the port only.
 
Its just a way of getting out without total flooding and avoiding that explosive exit which i did not know about.
 
> Redundant systems, back-ups, and practice will give you a better chance of getting out of the situation than adding another hole to the sub.
 
I have an idea to make an ambient simulator this summer to practice escape.  We have a salt water pool nearby here and its really convenient.  I just have to calculate how many concrete blocks i need to keep it down!
 
> Do you plan on diving alone?
 
I will probably be alone in the sub, but there will be safety divers with me, certainly at first.  Plus surface support.
 
> Or really deep?
 
No.  There is a wreck i want to dive on that is 30m.  Thats probably my limit.  But you never know once i finish, i might get more adventuous.
 
Anyway, i think i like the domed front port idea best.  Plus Emile can make it for me so its no extra work for me,  I just pay!
 
Thanks
James
 


-----Original Message-----
From: James Frankland <james@guernseysubmarine.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 9:13 am
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Decision Time.

Hi All.

I am soon at a point where i need to make a decision on something with my K boat.

I am considering a couple of fairly major changes and would really like to hear your thoughts/comments.

Basically, the reason for these changes is to modify something i don't like with the design.    With the K boat, there is only one way in or out.  In the event of entanglement or some other failure, flooding the hull to open the top hatch would be pretty nasty.

So, in order to give me a second means of escape, i have thought of 2 possible ideas.

1.  A removable domed front viewport similar to that on "Nemo".  This would allow only partial flooding of the hull to be needed for escape.    Plus the bonus of a much better view!  The front main tank will need to be adjusted a little, but i think it can be done.

2.  A second smaller emergency bottom escape hatch similar to that on "Kraka".  Much better for escape as depending on depth, it could mean no flooding at all.   However, this i think will take a lot more work to build, plus i will need to adjust the distance of battery pods from the hull among other things.

Ive added a page to my site so you can see my designs.  Remember, these are just ideas at this stage, but i need to make a decision.  I have deliberately left the last 3 reinforcing rings off for now until i decide.

http://www.guernseysubmarine.com/index_files/Page8246.htm

What do you all think?    Hatch?     Domed Port?  or do you think they are silly ideas and i should just stick with the design as planned and lump the 1 exit?

Many thanks
James

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