RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?

Ah now we're getting some were. Perhaps if Joe would send you his human model file, you could convert it into IGES or STEP and send it on to me.

I just did a test with an assembly of which I saved as an IGES file and then opened that file and parsed it into a Solidworks part assembly again. All the parts of the model opened ok, and in there correct position, but the controlling mates did not exist to keep the model together if you try to move a part. So you will have to add all your mates to the joints of the human model again, which shouldn't be to bard.

I did the same thing with both types of STEP files I can read and convert to. STEP file type AP203 and STEP file type AP214 respectively. I got the same result in regards to there being no mate's present. The only difference I could see between the two STEP file types was that AP214 imported the part colors that existed in the original Solidworks part assembly, and AP203 imported them all in just a gold color. The IGES files imported in there original colors as well, which is a nice touch.

Some times I feel like, there is nothing to easy, that I can't complicate.

Brent

P.S. I have an assembly model of Homer the Simpson I got from someone else, ya might get a kick out of. Homer is in the same basic shape as some of us, so it might work in sizing ones sub. Round is a shape, right. ; )'

http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2628470&pid=7105531

From: "Stephen Pearce" <sjpearceqld@bigpond.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:22:13 +1000

Brett

I would love to get a hold of some human models. Joe uses RHINO, I have inventor 11 pro. I can convert a IGES or STEP to a file Joe can open.

Regards

Steve Pearce

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2007 5:55 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?

James,

Ugly as a dogs butt perhaps, but my dog Harley likes it. ; )' That hull was just for fun. You win some and loose the rest. In regards to a human model, I need to do the same thing. Carsten some time back, posted some human profiles on the Moki picture exchange I was planning to use as a base to model mine in Solidworks. Obviously Joe has a human model, but so far we have not figured out how to exchange IGES or STEP files that work. Perhaps we should try again Joe. Will your CAD program Inventor except IGES or STEP files. STL files should also work, but they don't give you as smooth of models as IGES or STEP files. I think you said you have Solidworks, so why would you want to use Inventor? I'll be interesting in seeing your model of the swing able half ladder.

Regards,

Brent

From: "Lil Brother LLC" <lil_brother_llc@bellsouth.net>
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To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:24:45 -0500

Brent,

Yep...that is the basic idea....but I hate the lines of your sub. It's about as ugly as a dogs butt. (Sorry.....couldn't resist) I'm a more formal lines type of person. Not to say new shapes and ideas are not viable or possible, I just like the way the tubular shape of a sub looks.

I've been working on the design some, but haven't had a chance to put anything on the web (mainly because I'm not finished yet).

I know what I could really use....a model of a person for inventor. I need the representation (movable) to make sure the sub scales out to the right size.

With the Stepped sail design.....it is important to know the average shoulder width.......so the person in the top dome can actually move.

I did decide the pilot (captain, driver, etc.) will be located in the lower dome......it would be far to hard to position instrument and controls in the top dome.

Also I'm working on a boarding idea for the upper dome......like a swingable half ladder. when pressure is put on it.....it locks in position, then the ladder has spring indents for other positions when no pressure is on it.

I'm actually trying to incorporate all the necessary piping and bulkheads ( and such) as I go. I do not have an extensive library......so some of the items will be just blocks.

James Long
Owner/Designer
Lil Brother LLC (Instrument Division)

----- Original Message -----

From: Brent Hartwig

To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org

Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:06 AM

Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?

Greetings James,

It can and has been done. I would add some thickness to the flange at the angle joint. Here is the model I just finished of a stepped sail basicly like the one you showed use. I was just going to build the sail 3D model, but I got carried away.

http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewphoto&id=2628470&pid=7095469

Regards,

Brent Hartwig

                "Consistency is the refuge of the unimaginative. "

                                                             - - Oscar Wilde

From:  "Lil Brother LLC" <lil_brother_llc@bellsouth.net>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Stepped sail design .....opinions?
Date:  Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:15:44 -0500
>So Joe Perkel and I have been having a thorough discussion.....which I've
>enjoyed the exchange.
>
>I have some questions about the image that is attached. (Sorry....hated to
>kill the bandwidth, but didn't know how to le the image be accessible.)
>
>Does the image have a chance to be successful?
>
>Will the angled mounting of the dome hatches cause any structural weakness
>(other than the acrylic dome itself)?
>
>I know anyone who answers is doing so with the best intentions. I know that
>only real life testing is the only way to know for sure.
>
>My design is only for a depth of 250 ft max.
>
>Also understand.....the drawing is a preliminary......just drawn up to
>discuss the possible flaws of the idea.
>
>James Long
>Owner/Designer
>Lil Brother LLC (Instrument Division)

><< SteppedSailDesign.jpg >>

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