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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] On the subject of "passengers"...



Peter,

With regard to "paying" passengers, I suppose location does in fact, make all the difference. As Brent pointed out Roatan has it's advantages for Idabel. For me here, it would be strictly verboten and, a sure way to get in hot water with the authorities quickly.

I have given much thought to passengers and, have concluded that unlike my aviation activities in the past, that my passenger carrying will be somewhat limited. This because, I believe that there are a variety of scenarios in a submersible, (unlike an aircraft), where the eventual outcome of a casualty is more directly related to the response and actions of all occupants,... after the initial insult has occurred.

For example, if I am piloting an aircraft with an engine failure, the survival instinct of my passenger is more likely to be to remain clear of the controls.

In a flooding submarine however, "Beavis" back there ....may very well climb over my head to get to the hatch (he couldn't open his), and do us both in.

So I am more likely to look at my second as true crew. In fact, I am designing NR-2 with that in mind to allow access of critical systems to both occupants.

Your ideas for "drills" are excellent and I will model this.

Joe




From: "Peter Madsen" <peter@submarines.dk>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] On the subject of "passengers"...
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:28:58 +0200

Dear Psubbers,

From time to time - people mention diving with people for a fee. The Nemo submersible does it - To Dive does it - Karl Stanley's deep sea boats does it - and both Freya and Kraka does it.

If you sell "tickets" there is no doubt that it will violate IMO rules on the regulation of tourist submersibles, plus local maritime authorities regulations. In most cases no insurance will cover in case of accidents or death - and as the responsible captain or pilot of the submersible you take on a very big responsibility. Most ordinary people will have no chance or ability to evaluate your ships safety features - or overall design. In this sense the passengers
are completely in the hands of the submarine pilot.

When we have guest on our sub here in Copenhagen - they join a club - no ticket. They are informed that this is an experimental craft, and that diving in it is dangerous. They are carefully instructed in the ships emergency procedures and equipment. They are instructed in how the surface the boat in the case of the pilot getting decapasitated. The dive is executed at less than 30 feet of water, and at less than 60 feet from shore. It is done in an area with no other surface traffic.

We cunduct safety drills at regular intervals - testing if the instructions works and if our members in fact can safe the ship with a dead pilot - and if they can get on emergency breating apparatus...and we have even trained exiting the boat via the diver lockout while its was landed on the seabed - simulating an entanglement emergency.

However - despite all training - nobody can ever claim to be good a handling a real submarine emergency since very few have tried
one for real.

The fees - in the form of contingent in our club - is used exclusively for the maintenance of the boat, and for our workshop - and nobody makes money for them selves via this activity. In this way - we claim ist not a comercial activety.

After more the one thousand dives with no injury, accidents or casualties - I feel this is reasonably safe - and still I try never to get calm - any dive may be the "big one" - where our training - equipment and nerves will decide just how big -
or bad it comes out.

I just wish to say that those of you who use your psubs together with "non psubbers" like I do - always remember your responsibilities - and let your guest know what they are doing - and what to do in the case of a problem.

I am now ready to resive tomatoes - rotten eggs - or public hanging for my mentioning of this...:o)

Begging for mercy,

Peter

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