......and may I add, that if I do allow Beavis in the back seat, that would in fact make me...Butthead!
Joe
From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] On the subject of "passengers"...
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:20:28 +0000
>Peter,
>
>With regard to "paying" passengers, I suppose location does in fact,
>make all the difference. As Brent pointed out Roatan has it's
>advantages for Idabel. For me here, it would be strictly verboten
>and, a sure way to get in hot water with the authorities quickly.
>
>I have given much thought to passengers and, have concluded that
>unlike my aviation activities in the past, that my passenger
>carrying will be somewhat limited. This because, I believe that
>there are a variety of scenarios in a submersible, (unlike an
>aircraft), where the eventual outcome of a casualty is more directly
>related to the response and actions of all occupants,... after the
>initial insult has occurred.
>
>For example, if I am piloting an aircraft with an engine failure,
>the survival instinct of my passenger is more likely to be to remain
>clear of the controls.
>
>In a flooding submarine however, "Beavis" back there ....may very
>well climb over my head to get to the hatch (he couldn't open his),
>and do us both in.
>
>So I am more likely to look at my second as true crew. In fact, I am
>designing NR-2 with that in mind to allow access of critical
>systems to both occupants.
>
>Your ideas for "drills" are excellent and I will model this.
>
>Joe
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Peter Madsen" <peter@submarines.dk>
>>Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>>To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>>Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] On the subject of "passengers"...
>>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:28:58 +0200
>>
>>Dear Psubbers,
>>
>>From time to time - people mention diving with people for a fee.
>>The Nemo submersible does it -
>>To Dive does it - Karl Stanley's deep sea boats does it - and both
>>Freya and Kraka does it.
>>
>>If you sell "tickets" there is no doubt that it will violate IMO
>>rules on the regulation of tourist submersibles, plus
>>local maritime authorities regulations. In most cases no insurance
>>will cover in case of accidents or death - and
>>as the responsible captain or pilot of the submersible you take on
>>a very big responsibility. Most ordinary people
>>will have no chance or ability to evaluate your ships safety
>>features - or overall design. In this sense the passengers
>>are completely in the hands of the submarine pilot.
>>
>>When we have guest on our sub here in Copenhagen - they join a club
>>- no ticket. They are informed that this is an
>>experimental craft, and that diving in it is dangerous. They are
>>carefully instructed in the ships emergency procedures and
>>equipment. They are instructed in how the surface the boat in the
>>case of the pilot getting decapasitated. The dive is
>>executed at less than 30 feet of water, and at less than 60 feet
>>from shore. It is done in an area with no other surface traffic.
>>
>>We cunduct safety drills at regular intervals - testing if the
>>instructions works and if our members in fact can safe the ship
>>with a dead pilot - and if they can get on emergency breating
>>apparatus...and we have even trained exiting the boat via the diver
>>lockout while its was landed on the seabed - simulating an
>>entanglement emergency.
>>
>>However - despite all training - nobody can ever claim to be good a
>>handling a real submarine emergency since very few have tried
>>one for real.
>>
>>The fees - in the form of contingent in our club - is used
>>exclusively for the maintenance of the boat, and for our workshop -
>>and nobody makes money for them selves via this activity. In this
>>way - we claim ist not a comercial activety.
>>
>>After more the one thousand dives with no injury, accidents or
>>casualties - I feel this is reasonably safe - and still I try
>>never to get calm - any dive may be the "big one" - where our
>>training - equipment and nerves will decide just how big -
>>or bad it comes out.
>>
>>I just wish to say that those of you who use your psubs together
>>with "non psubbers" like I do - always remember your
>>responsibilities - and let your guest know what they are doing -
>>and what to do in the case of a problem.
>>
>>I am now ready to resive tomatoes - rotten eggs - or public hanging
>>for my mentioning of this...:o)
>>
>>Begging for mercy,
>>
>>Peter
>>
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