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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?



Steve,
 
At some pressure you would have that problem - definetly. Flotation material comes in many forms - and the cost increses as the efficiency decays with depth. Wood might work nicely down to several hundered meters - and i felt this would cover the needs for a psub. Since most psubers make submarines for moderat depth - i must say that it would be most intresting if someone considered what deep diving really takes. Is it remotly posible 
that a psub sometime lands next to the grand staircase on the wreck of the RMS Titanic - I don´t know - but he would need somthing stronger than dry pinewood for flotation. And yes - the wooden decks of deap sea wrecks are not crushed. Bismarck´s planking are quite intact. If pressure were to crush paintet wood - ( since the cells cant flood fast ) it would likely be seen on deap sea wooden wrecks ?
 
Regards,
 
Peter    
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:26 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?

Peter

 

Just a few thoughts, if you used ?Dry Pine? would it not compress at depth? If the Dry Pine is coated with GRP and compresses at depth causing the GRP to crack or leak would the Dry Pine then be in danger of absorbing water and loosing the buoyancy it is there to provide?

 

Regards

 

Steve Pearce

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Madsen
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 12:39 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?

 

Hi Psubbers,

 

 

In my limited knowledge - flotation - that is extra incompressible buoyancy - is used only for ultra deep dives. In my understanding tits used when a U-boats pressure hull gets so heavy due to structural loads that it itself will not be buoyant. The classic example of this would be the Trieste bathyscaphe. Trieste used a gasoline tank - absolutely incompressible - but not that efficient at - 250 kg lift pr. m3.

 

Who do a psubs need this when the designer is working in the 300 feet range ?? If he really needs it - my practical idea would be to make use of wood.

 

Dry pine wood has a density of about 500 kg / m3, and painted with epoxy or sealed with polyester / fiberglass it would form a nice simple solution in the depth range we are talking about.

 

Best Regards,

 

Peter Madsen

 


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