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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass micro spheres idea - why ?



Peter

 

I think that the Titanic’s timber deck would have had plenty of time to obsorb enough water to swell back to its original size or larger and may have been made of a timber other than pine in the first place. As a volunteer many years ago I helped recover some of the timbers from the wreck of HMS Pandora. Oak Timbers from this wreck contracted by as much as 25% after being treated and dried out. They were negatively buoyant at the time of recovery.

 

Having a fair bit of experience with GRP boats my suggestion is that the major problem with Pine would be it would loose the buoyancy it is there to create if it is allowed to absorb water. It would also swell and damage the GRP it is enclosed in and be subject to rot amongst other things. If you have ever replaced the flooring in an old GRP boat that had a wooden frame, many of the problems I have described are generally present.

 

Why not just use Glass Micro Spheres and avoid these issues.

 

BTY: Congrats on the arrival of your new Princess.

 

Regards

 

Steve Pearce

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Madsen
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 9:11 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?

 

Steve,

 

At some pressure you would have that problem - definetly. Flotation material comes in many forms - and the cost increses as the efficiency decays with depth. Wood might work nicely down to several hundered meters - and i felt this would cover the needs for a psub. Since most psubers make submarines for moderat depth - i must say that it would be most intresting if someone considered what deep diving really takes. Is it remotly posible 

that a psub sometime lands next to the grand staircase on the wreck of the RMS Titanic - I don´t know - but he would need somthing stronger than dry pinewood for flotation. And yes - the wooden decks of deap sea wrecks are not crushed. Bismarck´s planking are quite intact. If pressure were to crush paintet wood - ( since the cells cant flood fast ) it would likely be seen on deap sea wooden wrecks ?

 

Regards,

 

Peter    

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:26 AM

Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?

 

Peter

 

Just a few thoughts, if you used “Dry Pine” would it not compress at depth? If the Dry Pine is coated with GRP and compresses at depth causing the GRP to crack or leak would the Dry Pine then be in danger of absorbing water and loosing the buoyancy it is there to provide?

 

Regards

 

Steve Pearce

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Madsen
Sent: Monday, 23 April 2007 12:39 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea - why ?

 

Hi Psubbers,

 

 

In my limited knowledge - flotation - that is extra incompressible buoyancy - is used only for ultra deep dives. In my understanding tits used when a U-boats pressure hull gets so heavy due to structural loads that it itself will not be buoyant. The classic example of this would be the Trieste bathyscaphe. Trieste used a gasoline tank - absolutely incompressible - but not that efficient at - 250 kg lift pr. m3.

 

Who do a psubs need this when the designer is working in the 300 feet range ?? If he really needs it - my practical idea would be to make use of wood.

 

Dry pine wood has a density of about 500 kg / m3, and painted with epoxy or sealed with polyester / fiberglass it would form a nice simple solution in the depth range we are talking about.

 

Best Regards,

 

Peter Madsen

 


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