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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Quick Casting question



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George,
 
I would assume that the waffle pattern will indeed add some strength, but am at a loss when it comes to calculating how much. I can't quantify it, but it looks to me like an inefficient approach for a couple of reasons:
 
- The effectiveness of your stiffeners is largely dependent on their moment of inertia. The waffle puts the extra mass right up against the pressure vessel skin, which minimizes moment of inertia. To use an analogy, if you were building a conventional stiffener out of a rectangular section, you would have two choices. If you put the wide edge against the hull, it's easy to fabricate but also virtually useless as a stiffener, whereas if you placed the thin edge against the hull it is strong. For the same reason, in L or T section stiffeners the "--" goes away from the hull skin, not against it.
- It seems to me the waffle pattern would strengthen as much longitudinally as radially, whereas all that really counts in a pressure vessel is the radial strength. 
- All those sharp angles mean concentrations of tension.
 
On the other hand, even if a waffle doesn't lend itself to calculation, you have the advantage of building an ROV instead of a manned sub... There's a whole lot less to lose if it doesn't work.
 
If space is at a premium, why not an external ring stiffener?
 
 
:)
 
Alec
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of George Slaterpryce
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:16 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Quick Casting question

woops... here's the image.
 
George H. Slaterpryce III
www.captovis.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Quick Casting question

George,
 
D'you have a drawing of what you're proposing? I don't follow...
 
thanks,

Alec
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of George Slaterpryce
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:31 PM
To: PSUBS Mailing List
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Quick Casting question

Does anyone know if I do a waffle pattern on my Preasure Can's inner hull if that can substitute for welded in place braces? (Aluminum casting, inner pattern is a wide waffle pattern)
 
Or should I just stick with a straight pipe and weld the braces/ribs in it like normal?
 
Fiigured I'd ask before I tried this, Considering the lack of space I have it's a production to do anything with casting. but if it'll work I'tll probably be worth it.
 
Thanks.
 
George H. Slaterpryce III
www.captovis.com
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