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I agree totally with Andy.
I don't want to beat up on, or discredit Dave
anymore than he already has done to himself, except to say that there is
absolutely no reason to be discourteous, rude, offensive, antisocial or
destructively critical in this forum.
If someone contacts someone outside this forum and
they have ill words between them, that is different, but this forum should be
sacrosanct.
We should all be here as friends and comrades and
do our very best to help each other in whatever way we can. I am nowhere near as
knowledgable as many of the experts here. I make mistakes. But I try to help
anyone I can and
hope they will do the same for me. I could not
expect help and courtesy from the comrades here toward me if I am
discourteous to them. I think understanding is more important than criticism. If
we think something is a bad idea
rather then being rudely critical, perhaps we
should ask more questions to make sure we totally understand
something before we criticize it. We might find out that we were wrong. It
would be better to be wrong and have simply asked questions
without being rudely critical, than to be wrong
after being rude and have egg on our face. I have learned this from getting egg
on my face a few times. Eating crow is not something I enjoy. After living 51
years on this planet I have learned that
you can't go wrong by being courteous and nice.
Sometimes I slip, but then I apologize and try not to slip again. Perhaps some
apologies are in order regarding this thread as well Dave.
The thing to remember here is that we all are
members of an elite group whether each member owns a sub or not. We are like a
family of sorts. Like a military platoon that has to work together. Like a boy
scout troop wherein each member
tries to help the others. Dad used to always tell
me that you can get more bees with honey than with vinegar. We should not need a
moderator to keep us in line. We should simply use common sense and courtesy to
one another.
If a member cannot do that I believe the forum
itself will ostracize them and they will find they have no friends or help
from here. We have seen that process already with the responses to this thread.
The bottom line is.....Do and SPEAK unto
others as you would have them do unto you. As Andy said, please members, do not
leave because of momentary lapses in courtesy. They are definately not the
norm here.
Sorry Andy, it looks like I was even longer winded.
But then I am known for that. Lol.
Kindest regards,
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:21
AM
Subject: Re: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!!
Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float ship normal
To start with I can?t believe that it has escalated to this
point either.
But the fact that so many people spoke up for Herve before he
even had a chance to reply speaks loads for this community.
Over the
course of the time I have been lurking on this site there have been many
people that are trolls or uninformed and have made bad to very bad
statements. But introducing a moderator puts a great burden on one or 2
people. And reduces the chance of conversation on history or cutting
edge advancements and Darwin contributors.
To me this a community of
scientists ranging from historians to engineers to explores. With one dream,
one goal. To promote and encourage the discussion, design, construction,
certification, ownership and use of Personal Submersibles.
So Hugo,
Herve
Please don?t leave because of one bad egg. One ill
email.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Thank you for your
time.
Andy Jensen
From: Hugo Marrero <HMarrero@hboi.edu>
Date: 2005/06/02
Thu AM 07:33:24 CDT
To: "'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'"
<personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject:
RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a
float
ship normal
Wow!
It is a shame that this has escalated
to this point. Perhaps the comments
need to be moderated to weed out
irrelevant and disrespectful material from
this site? What happened
to respect and courtesy? I am begining to
question my involvement in
this site.....
respectfully,
Hugo
-----Original
Message-----
From: caribsub@coqui.net
[mailto:caribsub@coqui.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:52 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Cc:
hjaubert@emirates.net.ae
Subject:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float
ship
normal
Mr Dave... who?
Whatever you say is totally
irrelevant, you have not built anything, you
never
will, you undoubtedly
have no clue on how to create and run a successful
business, most of all
you obviously dont know what you are talking about,
unlike the long time
members of this list you lack the positive attitude and
the basic qualities
to elevate yourself and try to acheive something .
As far as safety, whilst
my subs are being certified by Bureau Veritas and
ISO
9000
certification, what credentials do you hold to declare my subs
unsafe?
Their comments are far more productive than your bitter
criticisms.
Last but not least, being succesful is not about marketing or
making a
pressure
hull, it is about learning experiences from others,
having a vision with a
drive and having the guts to stick to it.
Herve
Jaubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Banks
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent:
Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!!
Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float
ship
normal:
Exist?
WOW,,,what a cool idea. Some one has finally figured
out how to give a hole
bunch of people the bends all at one time.
Geee...they can even take
Grandma
and the kids along. This wonderful
exomos site has once again demonstrated
that
marketing is all it takes
to sell any thing. I'm going to start selling
wings
that strap onto
motor homes with Velcro, quick and easy installation,,,takes
just 15
minuets and you'll be on your way to glideing through the
Grand
Cannon.
But before I do that I'll need some marketing
capital.....so if any one is
interested...I have swamp land down here in
Florida that will be
worth.....Is
this a negative attitude...hell yes it
is....this is truly one of the
stupidest
things I've ever seen and it
scares me that there are people that actually
look
at this exomos thing
as a SUBMARINE....
IT"S NOT A SUBMARINE....it's an ambient goof machine on
a grand level...this
guy
needs to get the balls and build a pressure
vessel,,, hell,, he's in Dubai
any
way and could never be implicated in
a law suit ........Dave
Banks
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