Shipmates,
I have seen this pattern before, on this site and others. Someone new joins up, asks a few extremely basic, beginner questions, then quickly lays heavy criticism on talented experts who have long ago established themselves as heavy hitters within the very community the newbie has just "joined".
In most cases I have seen, the newbie drops off within a few postings. I am not sure why. I believe everyone deserves a second chance to make a first impression. I hope that Dave will adopt the cultural norms of Psubs and become a contributing member of the community in the future.
doug farrow
SeaLordOne
-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Smyth <Alec.Smyth@compuware.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:03:03 -0400
Subject: RE: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float ship normal: Exist?
Dave,
I would suggest Herve has long ago earned everyone’s respect. On a trip to Florida I made a detour to see him and his boats, and found him to be not only an innovator but a gentleman as well. I personally opted to build a 1 atmosphere boat, but don’t see why an ambient boat is not worthy of as much respect. May I suggest some humility given his track record, and if you cannot summon that, at a minimum some good manners?
Cheers,
Alec
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Banks [mailto:noperiscope@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:36 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] WOW!!! Cool Idea "was" Sub form as a float ship normal: Exist?
WOW,,,what a cool idea. Some one has finally figured out how to give a hole bunch of people the bends all at one time. Geee...they can even take Grandma and the kids along. This wonderful exomos site has once again demonstrated that marketing is all it takes to sell any thing. I'm going to start selling wings that strap onto motor homes with Velcro, quick and easy installation,,,takes just 15 minuets and you'll be on your way to glideing through the Grand Cannon. But before I do that I'll need some marketing capital.....so if any one is interested...I have swamp land down here in Florida that will be worth.....Is this a negative attitude...hell yes it is....this is truly one of the stupidest things I've ever seen and it scares me that there are people that actually look at this exomos thing as a SUBMARINE....
IT"S NOT A SUBMARINE....it's an ambient goof machine on a grand level...this guy needs to get the balls and build a pressure vessel,,, hell,, he's in Dubai any way and could never be implicated in a law suit ........Dave Banks
DJACKSON99@aol.com wrote:
WOW! Congradulations Herve and thanks for the photos. I posted them on my web site. (Hope you don't mind.) I am looking forward to an update in August after her dive test.
In a message dated 5/29/2005 4:03:17 AM Central Daylight Time, hjaubert@emirates.net.ae writes:
Hello Doug,
Attached pictures of my Proteus the Submersible yacht, this is the
first time ever built submersible yacht with luxury interior, she
looks like a boat but fully submerges in 60 ft max depth,
I launched the proteus for the Dubai international boat show and i am
now outrigging the boat for a test dive in 3 months.
45 tons, carries 10 people in the watertight cabin and up to 15 divers
on deck.
1200HP diesel engine for surface and 200 kw electric motor for
submerged transits.
300 miles range surface, 24 miles range under the water.
manned with 1 pilot and 1 engineer
Top speed 25 knts
price tag: $8M
cheers
Herve Jaubert
----- Original Message -----
From: Herve <hjaubert@emirates.net.ae>
Date: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:39 pm
Subject: Fw: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub form as a float ship normal: Exist?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DJACKSON99@aol.com
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub form as a float ship normal: Exist?
>
>
> Greetings Fanta
>
> First off congradulations! I saw your profile and you have an
> impressive array of languages.
>
> The problem with boat hulls as you likely know, is that they are
> not a good shape for withstanding the pressure. So if a sub looks
> like it has a common boat hull it is either just a thin covering
> over a steel tube that hides and protects all of the external
> working stuff and also makes the sub more streamlined like W.W.II
> subs or it is a wet sub. I am working on building a dry ambient
> that ! is also a surface planing jet boat, and I have some examples
> of wet!
subs th
e also perform well on the surface on my web site;
> www.submarineboat.com One is a design that is currently being
> built for the US Navy Seals. There are no good photos available
> but it is a lot like an inflatable ridged bottom boat that can
> deflate and submerge. And the winner of the 2003 Concept Boat
> contest is a seed boat/wet sub. Both of these are on my
> "Submarine 101" page. Another example was built by Herve Jauvert
> on the "Evolution of Design" page. My own boat is a dry ambient
> which complicates the problem a bit more because in order to
> submerge with air inside the cabin, I have to take with me a lot
> of lead weight, which is not ideal for a boat that you also want
> plane when running on the surface.
>
> Good Day --Doug
>
>
> In a me! ssage dated 5/27/2005 1:12:04 PM Central Daylight Time,
> fanta590@yahoo.com writes:
> Hi Michael and Mike,
> thank you very much for information about Kaiten, I have a
> question more: Are there sub with the hull form as a normal ship?
> it mean: a boat on surface can dive when it need.
> The form of sub is as any float boat. I wonder if it exist.
> Have you ideas?
> Thank again
> Fanta
>
>
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