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Good day class. Today my lengthy diatribe is based
on fat? fat and more fat! Next week we will have a test on spam, spam and more
spam.
Class dismissed. Smile.
Now on to sub related or spearfishing subs such as
Cliff McDonald's spearfishing sub idea discussions. I will waste no time
in trying to teach a pig to sing, it wastes my time and annoys the
pig.
Not another word after this from me on this thread
or with this person who made a non personally directed commentary,
personal.
Kindest Regards,
Bill Akins.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:49
AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Spearfishing
Hi Brian
Yes I did read them thanks. I thought the content
of my email was
transperant enough.
Since you obviously missed the
gist of it, I will spell it out for you.
The entire lengthy diatribe
was based on the fat that we should allow
spearfishing because the 'big
guys do it too'. Or a least: 'That we
shouldn't get peeved at the
spearfishing, because there is environmental
destrictuion being caused on a
much greater scale elsewhere.
This is, quite frankly, and utterly
ignorant and very circular arguement,
the kind of wonderful logic that wars
are built on (i.e. 'you shoot at me,
so I'm going to shoot at you back
because that makes it ok'). It moronic
and helps no-one. You're both wrong
and the ocean looses in both
directions. Well done and I'm sure your kids
will love the fact that there
is no longer any weedy seadragon to look
at.
EM.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Brian Cox
wrote:
>
Erik,
> Did
you even read anything that Bill said!!! You can't just say
" none
the less" that is not even addressing any of the points that were
made.
Did you read the parts about the giant fishing ships that haul
in tons and
tons and tons of fish and also catch protected species.
Your points are
absurd.
>
> Don't you
think a more worthy advisary would be those gigantic fishing vessels that
scoop up enormous amounts of fish and other species instead of attacking a
fellow psubber who is ultimatly trying to change things for the
better?
>
> Brian
> ----- Original Message -----
>
From: "Erik Muller" <emuller@naic.edu>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
Spearfishing
>
>
> > None the less,
> > The
philosophy of many scuba clubs is to leave the marine life
> >
untouched. There are good reasons for it.
> >
> > Its up to
us to help where we can, not only in the interests of
> >
conservation, but also to set a precedent. Want to know how long coral
>
> will last if EVERY diver breaks off a piece? and how long will the
grouper
> > last if EVERY diver shoots one through the gills? Are you
going to CARE
> > when the last giant blue grouper gets skewered?
Apparaently not.
> >
> > These comments are on very shaky
moral ground: they smack of "everyone
> > else is doing it, so why
can't we?" - hardly a convincing or
> > even remotely intelligent
argument
> >
> > The next time I feel like being a
hypocrite, I can watch you wave your
> > new, spanky, high-powered
rifle at me and hope that you have never have
> > any little kids in
the house who like shiny things that go bang.
> >
> > You
should practice your bowling a little more.
> >
> > Erik
M.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Akins
wrote:
> >
> > > My thoughts on the morality of
spearfishing while using scuba.
> > >
> > > I live in
Florida. Most of the divers I know spearfish at least some, but not always or
on every dive. Myself and most of my dive friends just do it enough to keep
our freezer full.
> > > Have any of you seen the programs on t.v.
that occasionally air that show those huge fishing freighters where the whole
front end of the freighter opens
> > > up so they can haul their
giant fish catch aboard? This ship is big and not only pulls in tons of fish
but also catches protected species which are injured and die on the
>
> > deck sometimes before they can be thrown back. Dolphins, sea turtles
and other protected species are injured and killed all the time. But does the
government put
> > > a stop to this? NO!
> > >
> > > These type of large fishing vessels are actually a floating
fish production factory. Not only do they catch quite literally many, many
tons of fish along with protected species, but they actually
> > >
process the fish, package and box them up so they are ready for the shelf as
soon as the ship docks.
> > >
> > > These type of
vessels are what is most responsible for the depletion of fish and marine
life, NOT the few fish taken by the spearfishing diver who gets a bad
reputation because
> > > "OH! you better do something Mr.
government! He has a gun! He might hurt somebody with that thing!" Guns
have become so demonized in the hands of civilians today that even the
spearfisherman falls prey to the
> > > antigun hysteria. But will
the government stop those large fishing vessels? Of course not! Why not?
Because people like to eat fish in restaurants.
> > >
>
> > When a person goes hunting in the woods today. They have a wide
selection of repeating firearms to hunt with. Even the bowhunter can shoot
faster and without distorted vison (and without worrying about sharks)
than the spearfisherman can.
> > > The spearfisherman only has the
equivalent of a bow and arrow to hunt fish with. Kind of like a ancient
American Indian hunting a deer with his bow and arrow (except the Indian can
reload faster), plus the spearfisherman is looking thru a
> > >
mask that somewhat distorts his view and makes the fish appear to be larger
than it actually is which can throw off his aim. He has to deal with the
equivalent of a Grizzly bear (sharks) coming along and trying to either take
what he has
> > > hunted or actually eat the spearhunter
themself! There are no trees to climb to get away from those underwater
grizzly bears nor can you run like you can in the woods. You have to hug the
bottom and hope the shark goes away or try to make
> > > it to
the surface and hope he doesn't follow the bloodtrail of your fish catch. I
hate sharks, there are a lot of bull sharks around here. I also have a healthy
respect for them.
> > >
> > > Yet there are people
who say this is not sporting enough! Some regions have
> > passed
laws that do not allow a spearfisherman to wear scuba. So now not only
> > does he have all the above to deal with, but he has the added
risk
> > > of being dragged along underwater and drowned by a
large grouper he just
> > speared because "it isn't sporting to wear
scuba!!" How many of you have ever
> > speared a large fish and been
dragged along underwater by it? You damn well
> > > better
be good at holding your breath or else you will have to cut your
> > line. Why don't we make bowhunters in the woods wear a plastic
bag over their
> > head when they hunt so they must hold their
breath when they hunt??
> > > Sound ridiculious and silly? Of
course it does. Get my point?
> > >
> > > Actually I
feel the government hampers spearfishermen because they don't
> >
make as much on taxes on spearfishermen. Oh yes we pay for our fishing license
> > but that is not enough for the government. They get more taxes
from the
> > > commercial fishermen for them to fish, they get
taxes when the fish are sold,
> > they get taxes when you buy
the fish. They only get taxes ONCE from the
> > spearfisherman from
his fishing license. Also hassleing the spearhunter goes
> > >
along with the agenda of disarming the people and taking guns and any weapon
> > away from them so they will have to rely on the government for
protection and
> > buy their food which makes the government taxes
and regulates.
> > >
> > > When I am hampered by low
visibility, a tank and bcd and other equipment on
> > my back,
watching out for sharks, looking thru a distorted view in my mask,
>
> and only having one shot before I have to retrieve my spear and
reload......
> > >
> > > I'll be damned if anyone can
say that is not sporting! Besides, who says it
> > has to be
sporting? Why does a spearfisherman have to be sporting? Why is it
>
> susposedly immoral to spearfish with scuba but it is not immoral
for
> > > the floating factories to catch them by the tons with
nets? Why not make
> > commerical fishermen only able to catch their
fish with a hook and line or a
> > spear? IT'S UNSPORTING TO CATCH
THEM WITH NETS! Now isn't that silly?
> > > Would you like
to pay the price it would cost you to buy your fish if they
> > had
to catch them that way?
> > >
> > > Was it sporting
for you to eat your fish last night at your favorite
> > restaurant
that was caught by a floating factory??????? I really am
sick of
> > the hypocracy. I am also a member of the American N.R.A.
(National Rifle
> > Association)
> > > I apologize if I
sound cranky and disgusted about this but this hits on my
> > last
nerve and I am tired of the bullsh_t. Of course this is just
my
> > opinion from experience. I think I am entitled to
that.
> > >
> > > Nuff said.
> > >
> > > Kindest Regards,
> > > Bill Akins.
> >
>
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > From: Brian Cox
> >
> To: Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:04 PM
>
> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Spearfishing
> > >
> > >
> > > Alec, Simon, Cliff, and
All ( changing thread name)
> > >
> >
>
> > >
My main interest in the spearfishing thing is that I would like to
>
> use my sub for a possible fishing purpose. Actually farming fish
would be a
> > more responsible way to get fish. People need
to eat and using a sub for that
> > purpose I think would be a good
thing. Afterall many types of fish are
> > getting
depleted from over fishing. But there are those who are also against
> > farming fish, They point to diseases that are spread when
fish farming
> > operations are set up. I guess those people
(PETA) don't want you to utilize
> > the ocean to feed the hungry in
any respect .
> > >
> > > Brian
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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