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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Battery pod. (question for Dan H.)



Hi guys!
 
Well, it's not a matter of: is PVC better then steel... You see, I have enough skills as a machinist to build the pod myself in steel at very low cost. That is why i prefer steel. It's only a personal preference. That said, the real question I have in my head is, will I crack my batteries or not if i pressure compensate the pod? Be it in steel, PVC, wood, etc... My opinion is that since the is an amount of air INSIDE the battery case, I think the case will be stressed the same as if it was empty. And since it's a square plastic box, the resistance is not too great.
 
I may be wrong. And I would love to be wrong. It would be much easyer to pressure compensate the pod then build it to resist the pressure.
 
Anybody have a though about that?
 
Pierre Poulin
Québec Canada
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Akins
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Battery pod. (question for Dan H.)

Yep.
Bill Akins
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Battery pod. (question for Dan H.)

Hi Pierre;
 
I'd like to give you some "food for thought" on your decision.
 
If you are going to pressurize compensate your motors, there's no real problem to pressurize your battery box as well... it's simply more volume.  The weight of your sub is determined by the size (volume) of the bubble you're trying to sink.
 
In my judgement, the PVC is a much simpler solution, widely available, easy to work with, inexpensive, non-corrosive, strong, lightweight, easily capable of withstanding minor pressure variations.  Simply put,  PVC is ideal for an ambient sub.
 
If you are going to build big heavy steel battery boxes (tubes?) filled with batteries and lead, can you jettison them in an emergency?  I would hope so.  That's a lot of weight.   Steel rusts anyway... but add oxygen from electrolysis, add salt water, add electrical potential for galvanic action,  the conductivity of steel, and....   well, I like the plastic idea better for an ambient sub.
 
But that's just my opinion.
 
Stan
 
In a message dated 1/18/2005 7:50:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, poulin.carrier@videotron.ca writes:
Hi Bill,
 
Sorry to take so long to respond. I had to make a decision before i reply. I have choose to go with all steel pod. One of my friend have access where he work to a rolling machine. So we will roll the tube and I will use 5/8" steel plate as end caps. I will also place plates inside the pods and fill the empty places around the battery with lead so the pod will also serve as weight. To reduce over-all weight of the sub. Which i want to keep at around 1000 pounds. the removable end-caps will be similar to what Dan explain except that i will have 2 bolts and they will thread directly on each side of the battery in a permanent side plate.
 
As for the battery, I presume that since my battery have about 3/4" of air on the top, the plastic case will be under pressure. And it may crack. I'm by no mean an expert but I'm still not convinced about air-compensation the battery pod. I'll built a pod that can bear the total pressure.
 
Yes i will compensate the motors. I'm using 2 minn-kota endura 30 motors. The only reason to compensate them is because of the seal. The rest of the motor is capable, I think, to resist much pressure! I will compensate them from the carbon tube directly. this tube will stay open inside the cabine of the sub.
 
Thank you again for your much appreciated input!
 
Pierre Poulin
Québec Canada