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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] BOATING AND WATER USE ACTIVITIES

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] BOATING AND WATER USE ACTIVITIES
From: "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:49:35 -0700
References: <20040723.154718.-1645493.1.cirtemoeg@juno.com>
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Steven,
               A recent article in the LA times orange county edition highlighted the efforts of a independent volunteer group "the coastkeepers" to reintroduce giant kelp to the Laguna -Newport beach area.  The kelp has disappeared from some areas due to overfishing of sheepshead and lobster, and other fish that eat sea urchins.  Once the sea urchins get the upper hand they start munching on the kelp.  I believe that the group is totally independent.  It would be possible to form ones own group like this and put your sub into action.  This group received grants form the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.  Basically what they are doing is just planting kelp in various spots.  The Kelp forests help sustain many species of fish ( also keeps the chop down for surfing !!)  I can't really see anything bad about a project like this.  If a psubber formed his/or her own group like this that would be a beneficial project and you could have fun doing it as well !

Brian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] BOATING AND WATER USE ACTIVITIES


> Brian,
> 
> I think that's a good idea.  However, personally, I hate politics and
> organizations whose political agenda supercedes scientific research
> 'they' pretend to represent. So, be wary of what and who you hook up
> with IMHO.  The one you consider joining just might be the one that
> does us all in.
> 
> Check out Society for Amateur Science ;  www.sas.org
> 
> Shawn Carlson, the president of SAS, was formerly with Scientific
> American
> and carried on the tradition of C.L Stong's   "The Amateur Scientists'"
> projects column. [ no longer featured in that mag. ]
> 
> They have lobbied with lawmakers, with success, in promoting and
> fostering individual civilian research and projects and access to
> resources
> that would not normally be available to non academics and
> nonprofessionals.
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:35:35 -0700 "Brian Cox" <ojaibees@ojai.net>
> writes:
> >         Maybe a plan of hooking up with some type of organization 
> > would help in deflecting problems with bureaucrats that have nothing 
> > better to than think of ways to ruin your day.  I'm thinking once I 
> > get my sub up and running is to get together with a group that 
> > monitors fish and kelp beds for identifying trends and problems.  
> > That way they might stay off your back and you might gain some 
> > community support.
> > 
> > Brian
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] BOATING AND WATER USE ACTIVITIES
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:48:57 -0500 David Buchner 
> > <buchner@wcta.net>
> > > writes:
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > (Upon reading Gordon's question this morning, I launched into 
> > > > reading 
> > > > about 10 articles about runaway regulation at 
> > > > http://www.capmag.com/category.asp?action=cat&catID=60 -- so now 
> > my 
> > > > blood pressure's up and now I'm feeling all cornered and ornery!)
> > > >
> > > > ....................snip......................... -- but it 
> > stinks that
> > > we must look 
> > > > over 
> > > > our shoulders, worrying we'll run afoul of petty bureaucrats and 
> > > > anxious busybodies -- instead of just concentrating on real, 
> > > > practical 
> > > > dangers, and being safe and responsible.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > My sentiments, too !
> > > 
> > > There is an overwhelming amount of administrative and regulatory 
> > law.
> > > Some of it conflicts with other agencies and I suspect much of it 
> > is a
> > > means
> > > of exacting revenue thru fines.
> > > What I endeavor to do is cut thru the kludge and present what is
> > > pertinent
> > > without the paperchase.
> > > 
> > > There are basic things to keep in mind to protect oneself.
> > > 
> > > Have and carry your paperwork [ *copies* keep originals in a safe 
> > place ]
> > > ie.,  inspection certs, insurance, map, and dive plan...etc.
> > > 
> > > Always notify and get permission [ where required and *in writing* 
> > ]  If
> > > the
> > > public waterway has both NPS and Coast Guard jurisdiction, then 
> > notify
> > > both.
> > > 
> > > Public lands are governed by the general regs, but may also have 
> > specific
> > > rules determined by activity, for example, a university 
> > archaeological
> > > site,
> > > hazard areas, and EPA sensitive areas. Check ahead of time.
> > > 
> > > Plan your launch/dive around the holidays.  Recreation traffic is
> > > heaviest
> > > on holidays and the incidents of accidents, carelessness,  and 
> > injury are
> > > statistically high. You might be the safest most conscientious 
> > person
> > > in the world, but there is always someone who is not and you might 
> > be
> > > the unlucky one to meet them.
> > > 
> > > Lest you think that your activity will take you out to sea, away 
> > from the
> > > general populus or outside territorial limits, the UN and UNESCO 
> > are
> > > getting into the act with regulations, too.   I'll have these 
> > documents
> > > too.
> > > 
> > > I know !....it's a pain in the arse, and we are simply concerned 
> > with
> > > building
> > > our subs and getting it into the water.  But you very well can find
> > > yourself into
> > > a legal mess [ and maybe a heavy fine ] quite by innocence or thru 
> > no
> > > fault of your own.  Do the homework and good planning !
> > > 
> > > David, how's the little Lady doing ?  How are you and the Missus'
> > > ...tired? :-)
> > > 
> > > --Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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