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Re: Reply to: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast System
I will never suggest that any topic is not worth discussing. Discussion on
ballasting is always beneficial. I have stated that I have researched them
and I have found that I do not need or want a VBT in my sub. There are very
successful subs, as Vance pointed out, that do not have a VBT. Now someone
here who is not sure about this (ballast~buoyancy) aspect in there sub yet,
can see that there are options, different roads taken, and it is up to that
person to determine in there head what they will do and why. Submersibles
are like cars. Everyone has a personal preference when it comes to buying a
car. All the cars on the market look different but they all are successful
(somewhat). I bought a truck because.... or I bought a car because.... It
has these options because.... I like this manufacturer because.... We all
have different vehicles parked in the garage and we will all have different
subs. The point here is to think for yourself, develop your own reasons and
even more importantly, give thought to methods used in the past and current
methods and don't be bullied by me or by someone who says you will die if
you don't do it there way! Let it die on paper or experimentally then you
will have exhausted that avenue. When someone starts off with talking about
safety first, in my opinion this is a bunch of manipulative bunk. Of course
safety is important, God gave us five senses and we know how not to abuse
them. More accidents will and have happened during the fabrication or
maintenance of subs then while diving a sub, and hopefully all of our
mistakes happen while we are designing our subs and they are corrected
there!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
-- Thomas Edison
Think on,
Adam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Mills" <cirtemoeg@juno.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ABS - 3/17.1.1 - Normal Ballast
System
> Hi Adam,
>
> I hope you aren't suggesting that VBTs aren't worth discussion because
> you do not want one in your submersible? Anything that will give me an
> insight toward the inner workings of a sub, whether it's a deep diver or
> shallow wet sub, can only enhance my understanding and bring me
> closer to building my sub.
>
> However, on another note, I do find a problem with the direction some
> discussions take. It is one thing to use one's knowledge and experience
> to present a case supported by facts as an argument and another
> to use one's knowledge and experience to diminish an "experienced"
> member's
> credibility, regardless whether the attack is mild and couched in
> apologetics or
> downright malicious. Common courtesy at the very least must prevail !
>
> --Steve
>
> [ on the other hand, if someone attacks the group, then let all hell
> break loose : )) ]
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 23:32:29 -0600 "Adam Lawrence" <adteleka@in-tch.com>
> writes:
> > I personally do not have and do not want a VBT in my sub. They take
> > up
> > valuable space in the sub and are nothing more then an extra bell
> > and
> > whistle that some engineer thought up as sort of something to "one
> > up the
> > competition" for some government money (my exaggerated opinion).
> > These tanks
> > can be good for deeper diving subs where air does funny things, but
> > they are
> > definitely not a necessity for anyone who is building a psub, they
> > are
> > just on optional bell and whistle. I do however have variable
> > buoyancy
> > tanks. I get a kick at of the lengths to which you have gone, Hugo,
> > to tell
> > us what these deep subs have for buoyancy control systems, while
> > trying to
> > rub Vance's nose in something, of which, you two are talking about
> > the same
> > thing. I see the difference here as viewpoint, HBOI has to have an
> > established vocabulary so as to minimize confusion behind its own
> > doors and
> > they have written and rewritten their own dictionary in a way. But
> > wait, go
> > talk to Newtco or all the other successful outfits and I bet the men
> > who did
> > all the thinking at those places will explain ballast and buoyancy
> > differently.
> > My opinion here, but back to VBT's, don't need em and don't want em.
> > Some of
> > the most amazing designs in this world turned out to look very
> > simple, but,
> > they took the most brainpower to conceive.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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