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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Posted my design too!



Steve,
To answer your question, I have no clue why I put it there, but it looks snappy.
(too young to have alzeihmers... grr)
I think I did so to improve the flow through the back, and not create zillions of pesky vortices. You will notice that the fairing extends out past the hull, (i.e. it has a diameter larger than the frontal cross section of the hull) which looks as though it scoops up flow and re-directs it into the turbulent part in the back. I am concerned about dragging a lot of water around after the boat, so I suppose that is what it is for, although such a thing could simply exacerbate the problem by piling up more water into the turbulent part I suppose. On the other hand, I might be turd-polishing..

Aren't we meant to be building a wind tunnel for this or something? Wind tunnels... Im very much a fan (insert other unfunny and poorly contrived puns here).

As for email: the PR network has been cactus all weekend.. I havent had a look yet.
EM.


Steven Mills wrote:

Erik,

I noticed a fairing or duct aft of the cockpit.  Is this designed to
smooth out laminar flow and reduce vortices? Have you done
any calculations to this effect? Or "will" there be a rear thruster ?

BTW,  I don't know if that url helped or not, but I noticed [ in my
browser ]
the illustrations were poor.  There is a pdf  file for this, too.  The
figures
are much clearer, but in BW.

PDF] ME 415 Group #5 Design of an Autonomous Underwater Vehicle Advisor
...
http://golem.math.stevens-tech.edu/auv/ME/DesignReport/meDesignReport.pdf


Did any of the computation formulas help?

--Steve



On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 01:51:56 EST DJACKSON99@aol.com writes:
EM

What is the displacement? So the tubes on the side are the batteries and soft ballast, right? Where is the weight? Also in the side tubes? If the weight is not in the keel, I'd think it might list too easy to when your existing the hatch in the top, envy if your not Santa :) Calculate your center of gravity for when your sitting on the hatch and make sure you not going to tip over, flood and sink. Have you considered a bottom hatch and a wet entry?

Do I count 4 thrusters? If the tail does not turn then do any of the thrusters? Or are you planing on steering only buy thruster speed and direction? I guess that can be done, but the control circuit will complex. No doubt it will be a lot cheaper to build than a 1 ATM, but certainly no less fun. What materials are you thinking of using in addition to the acrylic?

Puerto Rico sounds like a great place to be building a sub. Are the walls close to shore?

With greetings from Oklahoma
Doug J




In a message dated 3/3/2004 2:48:51 PM Central Standard Time, emuller@naic.edu writes: Thanks Doug for your comments, I can address a few of them right away: I was actually planning to have separated ballast, i.e. a fore and aft separation in the middle of the big ballast tanks.

The tanks on either side will be linked, so that rolling is not generated by an offset boyant force, although pitch trim can be fine-tuned depending on depleation of air tanks etc. Of course, I might end up adding forward planes anyhow.

Getting in and out will be through a hatch in the top (not for santas). There is enough ballast to give a freeboard of around 30-40 cm when loaded up (I estimate). I envisage that the frame extending out that
back can also be used to attach boyant modules to fine tune ballast.
The V tail is simply a cop-out to try to get some stability mostly against roll, since the projected resistive area against pitch and yaw is minimised for a 45 degree angle in the V and is maximised against roll. Since that part of the machine will be (probably) in more turbulent flow a small x-section is preferable. Furthermore, It will be entirely passive. Steering (yaw and pitch) is achieved by motors only. I wanted to get away from dive planes because I live in puerto rico... there are big walls that I want to be near and be agile at low speeds.

Since I am not using many heavy materials, that require much machining, I hope that it will be cheaper than the typical 1 atm sub. I think I am at more liberty to get things wrong and make a second attempt later on. I expect that it will be quite iterative.

Thanks again for your comments! Please let me know if I am proposing anything which cause your eyebrows to jump in confusion/hysteria/contempt/disbelief!
EM.

DJACKSON99@aol.com wrote:

Greetings EM

Slick looking design. Not the metal can I'm building :) You
might
consider reducing the displacement of the cabin in order to
decrease
the amount of ballast required when you convert to dry? Maybe you
can
use 2 canopies, one for hydrodynamics and the second for the air seal. Since you're going to operate shallow you may want to
consider
that light entering the top of the canopy will reduce downward visibility due to reflection. You'll need a forward ballast compartment too, or you'll have to add dive planes and be more
like
the Bionic Dolphin (www.bionicdolphin.com <http://www.bionicdolphin.com>) And you need some way of getting
in
and out without sinking once you strap on the ballast needed to be dry, because your canopy opening will likely be below the water
line.
Maybe inflatable pontoons or a small top hatch? The v-tail is
cool
and low drag but they require a mixer that will complicate the
build some.

Thanks for showing your design.  I look forward to seeing more.

Doug Jackson
www.jackson.parcabul.com/sub <http://www.jackson.parcabul.com/sub>

In a message dated 3/3/2004 8:10:40 AM Central Standard Time, emuller@naic.edu writes:

   Hello folks,
Due to pressure from un-named folks here (i.e. gauge
pressure),
   and the
   upcoming threat of competition by scubatron (i.e. absolute
   pressure), I
have also posted some images of design plans for an ambient,
dry
   machine
   on moki.

   I suspect I will take the construction in a two-step process,
   firstly by
building a wet torpedo-like thing and checking how it all
works,
construction methods etc. Then I will cover it over and blow
all the
   water out to turn it into a dry machine.
   Comments please??

   EM.



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