Well, I'm going to step in here and hopefully won't
"step-in-it" and
ruffle
any feathers. I don't want to invalidate your
grievance and displeasure
over this, paying and waiting for something that
does not meet your
expectations
are understandable.
But, I think I would have discussed this with Jon
"offlist" first then if
I didn't
receive satisfactory reasons/answers, then I may air
my displeasure
onlist.
I only know Jon through this forum, but, from my
impressions over the
2+years
since joining pSubs, I do not think he intentionally
"ripped" you off.
Some of us, if not all, are avid collectors of "any"
info that has the
word "sub"
in it. I know I have had my share of less than
expected products, plans,
books, etc.,
[ not from pSubs ]. A few years ago I could hardly
find much info on
personal
submersib;es, but I have the feeling with forums
like pSubs and others
that
have popularized and generated interest in subs, I'm
seeing more and more
documentation and books on the subject.
I've seen the offer for the K250 plan. I am planning
on ordering it, but
my expectations
of it didn't fit the criteria that you expected. I
didn't think it was
something I could
build something on except whet my imagination and
give me visual ideas.
But....that's
me. Also, having been on pSubs for a while, I know
there are people here
who
have built the K250 and I know I can rely on their
advice and counsel
regarding
parts, pitfalls, what to do...not do, etc., while
having the k250 pic in
front of me and
adding copious notes from what I learn on the forum.
Well, I hope I haven't fuelled your anger any more
than it is. That was
not my intent.
However, don't judge Jon or the forum by this.
Thanks, --Steve
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:48:14 -0800 (PST) david
cutajar
<davecutajar@djcengineering.com> writes:
Yup, that's right- PSUB Ripoff!! Who would have
thought that??Maybe if I purchased from Ebay, but
from
PSUB?????
I recently purchased the K250 pressure hull plan
from
the online store on the Psub.org website.
This one page plan is touted as:
" an excellent resource as a starting point for
those
who want to construct their own submersible. ".
I Paid by PayPal - Payment To Jonathan Wallace
on
Jan. 24, 2004;
I received the package today Feb. 23, 2004.
I purchased the plan, thinking it would be a good
reference source (as they claimed).
As you may suspect, I am very disapointed in the
print. It is terrible, and offers NO value.
The BOM (Bill Of Material) only references Part
numbers - i.e. there is no information on anything
that is of value: for example if you were curious
as
to what size rings (hull frame)were used - or the
rings thickness etc., all you will realize is that
it
is detail #3 part number K250-007 - Completely
Useless.
Curious about the diameter of the forward
viewport?
too bad - all it says is part number K250-020.
After a much anticipated wait of one month I
cannot
believe how bad I got ripped off, and the worst
part
is I waited a month.
Obtaining this Item from PSUB made me feel secure
in
my purchase. The description in PSUB is not
accurate.
This item is BENEATH this fine web site and I
implore
you to REMOVE this item from the online store as
it is
a complete rip-off.
I am the owner of an engineering firm (just north
of
Detoit, MI). We design and manufacture industrial
equipment from clean room enviroments to foundry
equipment. We often get jobs that are too complex
or
technical for other companies and we have designed
laser welders,camera & optics, specialty machines
for
fuel cell processes, robotic cells of all sorts,
secondary plastics equipment, entire plant lines,
Mig,
tig, laser cells, non- destruct inspection equip,
material handling etc., etc., etc. We do small
tools
such as operator assisted tools for assembly
plants,
to complete manufacturing lines & engineering
($110M).
Many of these industries require a large amount of
R&D.
I have been doing alot of R&D, for the design I am
working on for (2) one person subs, that I plan to
build and certify together. The subs can be
operated
in a "connected" mode, or detached, operating both
together in a "buddy-system" fashion, like SCUBA
for
safety.
I started out as a machinist in High School, where
I
took 1st in the state every year; I was a project
leader (for a company)when I was still in High
School;
I became a fixture builder, then Model Maker (that
industry went out), CNC operator, CAD operator,
designer, Special Machines & Gages, BIW process
and
tooling.
I don't do the hands on as much anymore - I havn't
been on Catia or UG for years, but I can find my
way
around Mech-Desktop though.
I'm not bragging or preaching to this group - I
know
there is a ton of knowledge and talent in this
group.
I just wanted to let you know that I am not a
complete
idiot, and that I have been around a shop,
wrenches,
torches and prints for my entire life, and that
this
print sucked (hard).
If anyone wants a copy, I will scan it (into
several
(4?) sections) and give them to you free; but
please
do not purchase this as you will be disapointed.
Sorry for the negative email.
Sincerely,
David Cutajar
DJC Engineering
davecutajar@yahoo.com