Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention Videos

[Jake Colman <jake@superdailies.com>]

On 7/17/03 12:23 PM, "Ray Keefer" <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
> 
> Thanks for the lo down. Sounds like VCD is the way to go. I have a
> CD burner in the budget. I hope my computer will support it as its a
> 200MHZ Pentium dinosar.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ray
> 
> 
> Michael Wright wrote:
>> Compact Discs come in three physical formats:
>> 
>> Commercial (anything that is sold with the data or audio already on it)
>> 
>> CDR    (CDRs are write once media, anyone with a cd burner and software
>> can write them, blanks cost $20 per spindle of 50.  A fast burner can
>> write full CDs in about 5 minutes.)
>> 
>> CDRW    (Like CDRs except more expensive and they can be erased and reused)
>> 
>> CDs come in two sizes (74 Minute, 650MB, and 80 Minute, 700MB
>> 
>> DVDs now come in the same varieties, but with some complexity as to what
>> will work in what device.  DVD Writers are still quite expensive and
>> slow.  A DVD holds 4,000 Megabytes of data
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As to video formats:
>> 
>> 
>> DVD Movies:  Are normally commercialy produced.  These can hold about 4
>> hours of high quality video.  The play on set-top dvd players and
>> computers with appropriate hardware and software.  Can be commercialy
>> produced or written to DVDR media.
>> 
>> VCD: Video CD.  About the same quality as VHS.  Uses Mpeg1 compression
>> and each CD holds about the same amount of video and audio as it would
>> CD quality audio.  (so 60 to 80 minutes per disc).  VCDs can be
>> commercialy written or written on CDR or CDRW media.  Most set top DVD
>> players can also play VCDs.  Computers with CDROM Drives can play them
>> with software.
>> 
>> SVCD: Super Video CD.  Nearly DVD quality.  Uses better compression than
>> VCD.  Each disk holds about an hour.  Plays on computers and Set Top DVD
>> players that support SVCD.  Can also be written just like any other CD
>> on a computer.
>> 
>> I'd go with VCD format because it's good enough for presentations and
>> works on a good number of set top players.  At this point I don't have a
>> fast burner or I'd offer to make the copies.
>> 
>> If necessary I can figure out how to take DVD master to VCD master and
>> runn off a couple of copies.  We can always resort to kinkos for cd
>> copies, but it might be cheaper to just buy a fast burner for whoever is
>> willing to watch it for a few hours.
>> 
>> mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ray Keefer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> OK, I'll expose my ignorance. I have a old PC that will read CDs but
>>> will not write them nor read DVD's. So when someone starts talking about
>>> CDR media, DVD, DVT... formats.
>>> 
>>> Can someone spell out what formats there are and which are
>>> reproducible at low cost and what equipment is needed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ray
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warren Greenway wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You know folks, you can make VCD and other format
>>>> video
>>>> disks on standard CDR media for $0.30 each that will play on any PC
>>>> and most DVD players. Just thought I'd
>>>> mention this, since DVD burning is still not the cheapest or
>>>> smoothest thing.
>>>> 
>>>> Warren.
>>>> 
>>>> --- Alec Smyth <Asmyth@changepoint.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just to clarify this... I'll be happy to tape and
>>>>> edit. The work should
>>>>> take me about 2 weeks to complete, based on my
>>>>> experience last year (and
>>>>> hopefully I've learned something since then!) The
>>>>> media will cost about
>>>>> $100, which PSUBS can consider a donation. However,
>>>>> what I cannot do is
>>>>> mass produce DVDs, because my burner takes a huge
>>>>> amount of time to do
>>>>> each one. I remember leaving it working overnight
>>>>> last year. It was so
>>>>> time-consuming that I couldn't face producing a
>>>>> second set for myself,
>>>>> and sent Ray the originals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone has the capacity to make lots of copies,
>>>>> whether on DVD or
>>>>> VHS, I'm sure Ray would like to hear from you. The
>>>>> "raw material" for
>>>>> such a copying operation could be either DVDs or DV
>>>>> tapes, in NTSC
>>>>> format, but I have no VHS equipment.
>>>>> I was just afraid that reading the preceding
>>>>> message, folks might get
>>>>> the impression they could "order" DVDs from me, when
>>>>> I just don't have
>>>>> the ability to produce them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It would be *really* nice if last year's talks were
>>>>> available at this
>>>>> year's convention, after all the work the presenters
>>>>> put into their
>>>>> talks and the effort Ray put into organizing it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alec
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Jonathan Wallace [mailto:jon@psubs.org] Sent: Tuesday, July
>>>>> 15, 2003 2:40 PM
>>>>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Convention
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is Carsten coming to the convention!!!  For those
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> of us not able to
>>>>> 
>>>>>> attend will there be any type of Q&A  with and
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> internet hook up?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just to confirm what Ray said.  Carsten has already
>>>>> said that he will
>>>>> not be attending the conference this year.  The
>>>>> conference will not be
>>>>> webcast and I don't believe we have an Internet
>>>>> connection available
>>>>> in the conference room.  However, Alec Smyth has
>>>>> offered to tape the
>>>>> event and create CD's or DVD's for distribution
>>>>> after the fact.  It
>>>>> will be up to Alec to determine what the cost of the
>>>>> disks will be but I'm sure we'll have more info in late August.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is probably a good reminder however.  We are
>>>>> exactly one month
>>>>> away from the convention.  There are still some
>>>>> people who have not
>>>>> submitted payment yet, so please send it in or use
>>>>> PayPal asap so we
>>>>> can cover expenses.  Also, if you are a presenter,
>>>>> please forward me
>>>>> your presentation in .doc, .ppt, or .pdf format so
>>>>> people can follow
>>>>> along in their binders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> 
Ray, you might get a really fast burner, like the lite-on (they make good
burners and arent that expencive) their fastest burner costs about 70 bucks
and can burn a full cd in under 3 min. however. Your computer might not be
fast enough to deliver data to the burner fast enoough, resulting in buffer
underburn, rendering the disk worthless. A great place to get computer
componets is www.newegg.com. You can get a good computer for about 500 bucks
that would burn cds fast. You could try it with your computer but you might
have to burn the cd's a a lower burn speed. Feel free to ask me any
questions.
-- Jake Colman
   Dancing Donkey Entertainment
   Jake@Superdailies.com